Censorship and targeted sliencing of users are the source of bad moderation. To top it off, the mod can target and harrass the banned user and we wouldn’t know bc of censorship if allowed.
targeted harassment
It is about the anonymity of moderator, not about modlog
if the social prescription to harassment of moderators is “quit because you’re a baby” then you’re going to have many fewer pleasant spaces on the Fediverse in which to exist—because yeah, a lot of people will just quit. i am agnostic on the public modlog overall, but this is an obvious concern with it that i’m not convinced can just be dismissed idly. i obviously have better things to do than a thankless, payless job in which harassment would be dismissed like that.
It especially leads to harassment of vulnerable people. There’s many aspects of moderation that is done here that if implemented in other fediverse software would become a vector for Kiwifarms level harassment.
Yes, very well said. I think this form of checking out is what’s happening to Reddit and why moderation there is increasingly just doing the bare minimum of spam removal and letting toxic users run roughshod. Why put effort in if it’s just going to cause strife?
Maybe this is the syndicalist in me talking, but I think the problem is entirely pretending that Lemmy moderators and admins are and should be expected to work for free. It’s just too much work, too much daily upkeep, to reasonably expect to be handled by a volunteer labor force forever.
That’s obviously a whole other drama with FOSS as a whole but there’s simply a different level of labor and difficulty inherent to running a large internet community than making a program and dumping it on a download site.
There is still censorship in many instances. Just because it’s transparent doesn’t change anything about the fact that it’s happening. I doubt more than a small fraction of users even regularly look at the modlog.
It can become a source of targeted harassment, as it has on the rest of the fediverse before.
Censorship and targeted sliencing of users are the source of bad moderation. To top it off, the mod can target and harrass the banned user and we wouldn’t know bc of censorship if allowed.
It is about the anonymity of moderator, not about modlog
Quit this job as moderator if you can’t take it
if the social prescription to harassment of moderators is “quit because you’re a baby” then you’re going to have many fewer pleasant spaces on the Fediverse in which to exist—because yeah, a lot of people will just quit. i am agnostic on the public modlog overall, but this is an obvious concern with it that i’m not convinced can just be dismissed idly. i obviously have better things to do than a thankless, payless job in which harassment would be dismissed like that.
It especially leads to harassment of vulnerable people. There’s many aspects of moderation that is done here that if implemented in other fediverse software would become a vector for Kiwifarms level harassment.
Yes, very well said. I think this form of checking out is what’s happening to Reddit and why moderation there is increasingly just doing the bare minimum of spam removal and letting toxic users run roughshod. Why put effort in if it’s just going to cause strife?
Maybe this is the syndicalist in me talking, but I think the problem is entirely pretending that Lemmy moderators and admins are and should be expected to work for free. It’s just too much work, too much daily upkeep, to reasonably expect to be handled by a volunteer labor force forever.
That’s obviously a whole other drama with FOSS as a whole but there’s simply a different level of labor and difficulty inherent to running a large internet community than making a program and dumping it on a download site.
There is still censorship in many instances. Just because it’s transparent doesn’t change anything about the fact that it’s happening. I doubt more than a small fraction of users even regularly look at the modlog.
And that’s when you jump to another instance, no?