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ANNOUNCEMENT: defederating effective immediately from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works - Beehaw
beehaw.orghey folks, we’ll be quick and to the point with this one: ##### we have made the
decision to defederate from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. we recognize this
is hugely inconvenient for a wide variety of reasons, but we think this is a
decision we need to take immediately. the remainder of the post details our
thoughts and decision-making on why this is necessary. — we have been concerned
with how sustainable the explosion of new users on Lemmy is–particularly with
federation in mind–basically since it began. i have already related
[https://beehaw.org/post/520044?scrollToComments=true] how difficult dealing
with the explosion has been just constrained to this instance for us four
Admins, and increasingly we’re being confronted with external vectors we have to
deal with that have further stressed our capabilities (elaborated on below). an
unfortunate reality we’ve also found is we just don’t have the tools or the time
here to parse out all the good from all the bad. all we have is a nuke and some
pretty rudimentary mod powers that don’t scale well. we have a list of
improvements we’d like to see both on the moderation side of Lemmy and
federation if at all possible–but we’re unanimous in the belief that we can’t
wait on what we want to be developed here. separately, we want to do this now,
while the band-aid can be ripped off with substantially less pain. aside
from/complementary to what’s mentioned above, our reason for defederating, by
and large, boils down to: - these two instances’ open registration policy, which
is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it
makes trolling, harassment, and other undesirable behavior; - the
disproportionate number of moderator actions we take against users of these two
instances, and the general amount of time we have to dedicate to bad actors on
those two instances; - our need to preserve not only a moderated community but a
vibe and general feeling this is actually a safe space for our users to
participate in; - and the reality that fulfilling our ethos is simply not
possible when we not only have to account for our own users but have to account
for literally tens of thousands of new, completely unvetted users, some of whom
explicitly see spaces like this as desirable to troll and disrupt and others of
whom simply don’t care about what our instance stands for as Gaywallet puts it,
in our discussion of whether to do this: > There’s a lot of soft moderating that
happens, where people step in to diffuse tense situations. But it’s not just
that, there’s a vibe that comes along with it. Most people need a lot of trust
and support to open up, and it’s really hard to trust and support who’s around
you when there are bad actors. People shut themselves off in various ways when
there’s more hostility around them. They’ll even shut themselves off when
there’s fake nice behavior around. There’s a lot of nuance in modding a
community like this and it’s not just where we take moderator actions- sometimes
people need to step in to diffuse, to negotiate, to help people grow. This only
works when everyone is on the same page about our ethos and right now we can’t
even assess that for people who aren’t from our instance, so we’re walking a
tightrope by trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. That isn’t
sustainable forever and especially not in the face of massive growth on such a
short timeframe. > > Explicitly safe spaces in real life typically aren’t open
to having strangers walk in off the street, even if they have a bouncer to throw
problematic people out. A single negative interaction might require a lot of
energy to undo. and, to reiterate: we understand that a lot of people
legitimately and fairly use these instances, and this is going to be painful
while it’s in effect. but we hope you can understand why we’re doing this. our
words, when we talk about building something better here, are not idle
platitudes, and we are not out to build a space that grows at any cost. we want
a better space, and we think this is necessary to do that right now. if you
disagree we understand that, but we hope you can if nothing else come away with
the understanding it was an informed decision. this is also not a permanent
judgement. in the future as tools develop, cultures settle, attitudes and
interest change, and the wave of newcomers settles down, we’ll reassess whether
we feel capable of refederating with these communities. thanks for using our
site folks.
So just like that a bunch of communities I’m subscribed to are gone? I guess I could make another account on beehaw but this is quickly becoming more trouble than it’s worth. I’ve broken my Reddit addiction. Maybe it’s time to leave lemmy before I get attached.
None of this even existed just a few weeks ago. You’re very easily discouraged.
Problem: I guess I should give up.
Very promising behavior.
maybe try out kbin? havin fun over here
Everything just started working better over there today, right? I made an account but haven’t really had a chance to check things out.
yep, we are federating just fine. i highly recommend it. since it already sounds like im pitching a product, i may as well throw in some useful additions to make the experience better:
1. add home instance name to peoples usernames
2. collapsible comments
3. collapsible media previews
4. nice and neat theme
edit: because i love it so much, i am gonna double recommend collapsible media previews. it has made my experience SO much better.
Nice. Are the scripts pretty stable?
yup, no issues so far
Great to hear! Thanks for the info. Things should get even more lively around here now that y’all can participate.
@johndroid Lemmy and the fedeverse isn’t for everyone. If your used to getting told what to do by corporations go back to Twitter/Reddit and they will sensor you and sell your activity/Data if you wanna stay free stick with lemmy and Mastodon
It’s not about getting told what to do or having your data sold, it’s about a friction-free social media experience. It depends on what the aims of the platform are and what the desires of potential users are. Personally, I’d imagine most users want something simple and easy, where they don’t have to think about what and where and how to post. But if the intent of the platform is to make that harder, then that’s fine, it’ll just result in fewer users and less content/activity.
If you want “friction-free”, maybe use something that’s been around for a while longer. This is a system undergoing rapid change, not a stable production service.
@ppptan @johndroid Reddit and lemmy are hard when you first start l. Eventually you will get muscle memory and it will become second nature. I think people that are on Lemmy and Mastodon are there to escape oppression from the man (Corporate) They all provide a service but people want freedom. Nobody can’t stop you from using Reddit. We just know that the CEO is there for the bottom dollar no matter who gets in the way.
Lemmy is harder to start than reddit because the federated nature of it makes it not just one place. Just because you want to escape the man doesn’t mean you want to have to jump through hoops and read a textbook of documentation to understand things.
@ppptan @johndroid Reddit is hard also even you first start. Everything is hard at the beginning. Lemmy got documentation cause it’s so vast and you can do more. Also it’s something new. I moderate 3 subs and use reddit mastodon and lemmy. I been. On reddit 6 years and hit the frontpage 5 times. I can honestly say that mastodon is easier even though I know reddit in and out. I studied reddit and just got better at it.