The square footage was not the only thing that he lied about, you can read the court docs for the whole list.
The entire basis of finance is that lenders get paid more when borrowers have more risk. If you have a low credit score, lenders get paid more even if you make all your payments on time. But Trump lied, in order to avoid paying what they would have charged him if they knew the truth.
It really sounds like you are admitting to lying on credit card and loan applications in order to get better rates. How much money have you saved that way? Increase that by several orders of magnitude, and that’s what New York lenders should have gotten from Trump.
Firstly, you dont understand how they underwriting process works, if you are actually intersted I can explain it. Secondly, you have not been able to tell me directly who was harmed and how. In any other fine like this that I am aware of, you could directly point to what they did and who was harmed (no one was harmed). Do you see the problem when the fine is half a billion and its missing those basic details?
I don’t think you understand how the law works. If you break the law, you face the consequences. The penalty is meant to deter you from breaking the law again, it is not necessarily based on “who was directly harmed”.
There are thousands of people in jail right now who did not directly harm anyone. Do you see the problem when Trump thinks that the law should not apply to him?
He didnt commit a crime or break the law. The problem is that you dont know about underwriting, and you wont ask about it because it blows up your case.
Good point on JP morgan, now lets take a look at the penalty. Trumps penalty was nearly over 1/2 of his networth or so (I dont know what it really is), and JP morgan was 1/2500th of their market cap. You see the difference?
Underwriting has nothing to do with the fact that it’s illegal to lie on a loan document.
You are trying to make this about “direct harm”, which means you don’t understand how the law works. Just as there are “victimless crimes”, one can violate the law without directly harming someone. I gave you many examples, Trump is just one of them.
“Nobody was harmed” is like “I didn’t know it was illegal”. They are not a valid defense.
Finally, penalties partly depend on your pattern of conduct. If a judge thinks you are likely to break the same law again, the penalty will be greater in order to deter you. JPMorgan was wise enough to admit wrongdoing and proactively enacted measures to make sure it would never happen again. Trump, at sentencing, still thought everything he did was 100% cool and legal. Trump brought that huge fine upon himself.
On each page it said that it was up to the lender to verify the information, you can claim its lying, but you would need to be very specific. I just mention direct harm because that is important to how much someone is penalized. And obviously the point of trumps penalty was not to stop him from breaking the law in the future… he is gonna die in the near future and is focused on politics.
Literally everything you have to say falls apart under basic scrutiny. You are just a partisan person that doesnt want to admit.
He specifically lied when he claimed an 11K square foot apartment had an area of 30K square feet.
You cannot escape responsibility for obeying the law by acknowledging that you might not be obeying the law. Do you seriously think that you can fill out a false tax return and get away with it if you write “This might not be my actual income, it’s up to the IRS to verify”. Judge Engoron basically laughed that argument out of court.
Trump will almost certainly apply for more loans before he dies. After this judgment, hopefully he will fill out those applications truthfully.
The square footage was not the only thing that he lied about, you can read the court docs for the whole list.
The entire basis of finance is that lenders get paid more when borrowers have more risk. If you have a low credit score, lenders get paid more even if you make all your payments on time. But Trump lied, in order to avoid paying what they would have charged him if they knew the truth.
It really sounds like you are admitting to lying on credit card and loan applications in order to get better rates. How much money have you saved that way? Increase that by several orders of magnitude, and that’s what New York lenders should have gotten from Trump.
Firstly, you dont understand how they underwriting process works, if you are actually intersted I can explain it. Secondly, you have not been able to tell me directly who was harmed and how. In any other fine like this that I am aware of, you could directly point to what they did and who was harmed (no one was harmed). Do you see the problem when the fine is half a billion and its missing those basic details?
I don’t think you understand how the law works. If you break the law, you face the consequences. The penalty is meant to deter you from breaking the law again, it is not necessarily based on “who was directly harmed”.
There are thousands of people in jail right now who did not directly harm anyone. Do you see the problem when Trump thinks that the law should not apply to him?
Again, you literally dont know what he even did, and what he did wasnt a crime.
Can you name one other judgement in the hundreds of millions where there was no direct victim?
I didn’t say he committed a crime, I said he broke the law. And I told you what he did: he lied on loan documents.
Clearly you think lying should not be punished, but the law doesn’t see things that way. Something to consider on your next loan application.
JPMorgan had to pay $200 million because employees communicated on Whatsapp instead of through approved channels. Nobody was directly harmed.
He didnt commit a crime or break the law. The problem is that you dont know about underwriting, and you wont ask about it because it blows up your case.
Good point on JP morgan, now lets take a look at the penalty. Trumps penalty was nearly over 1/2 of his networth or so (I dont know what it really is), and JP morgan was 1/2500th of their market cap. You see the difference?
Underwriting has nothing to do with the fact that it’s illegal to lie on a loan document.
You are trying to make this about “direct harm”, which means you don’t understand how the law works. Just as there are “victimless crimes”, one can violate the law without directly harming someone. I gave you many examples, Trump is just one of them.
“Nobody was harmed” is like “I didn’t know it was illegal”. They are not a valid defense.
Finally, penalties partly depend on your pattern of conduct. If a judge thinks you are likely to break the same law again, the penalty will be greater in order to deter you. JPMorgan was wise enough to admit wrongdoing and proactively enacted measures to make sure it would never happen again. Trump, at sentencing, still thought everything he did was 100% cool and legal. Trump brought that huge fine upon himself.
On each page it said that it was up to the lender to verify the information, you can claim its lying, but you would need to be very specific. I just mention direct harm because that is important to how much someone is penalized. And obviously the point of trumps penalty was not to stop him from breaking the law in the future… he is gonna die in the near future and is focused on politics.
Literally everything you have to say falls apart under basic scrutiny. You are just a partisan person that doesnt want to admit.
He specifically lied when he claimed an 11K square foot apartment had an area of 30K square feet.
You cannot escape responsibility for obeying the law by acknowledging that you might not be obeying the law. Do you seriously think that you can fill out a false tax return and get away with it if you write “This might not be my actual income, it’s up to the IRS to verify”. Judge Engoron basically laughed that argument out of court.
Trump will almost certainly apply for more loans before he dies. After this judgment, hopefully he will fill out those applications truthfully.