return2ozma@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world · 9 months agoIllinois judge rules Donald Trump is disqualified from the state's 2024 election ballotwww.usatoday.comexternal-linkmessage-square217fedilinkarrow-up1907arrow-down132
arrow-up1875arrow-down1external-linkIllinois judge rules Donald Trump is disqualified from the state's 2024 election ballotwww.usatoday.comreturn2ozma@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world · 9 months agomessage-square217fedilink
minus-squareFlowVoid@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2·edit-29 months agoThe 14th Amendment applies to insurrections, not just wars. Any attempt to stop the function of government by force is an insurrection, including the Whiskey Rebellion, the Civil War, and Jan 6.
minus-squareCableMonsterlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·9 months agoSounds good if it is a universally understood insurrection.
minus-squareFlowVoid@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1·9 months agoInsurrection has a legal definition, and that’s the definition that counts. Judges are the ones responsible for deciding whether a legal definition applies, and so far all those involved said it does.
minus-squareCableMonsterlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·9 months agoDo you see the issue with one judge or a couple judges deciding who get to run for office at their whim?
minus-squareFlowVoid@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1·9 months agoJudges already do a lot more than that, they have the power to decide who lives and dies.
minus-squareCableMonsterlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·9 months agoThats fair, but Trump running for office could be a lot bigger than that if it leads to domestic conflict.
minus-squareFlowVoid@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1·9 months agoJudges generally don’t care if their decisions lead to domestic conflict. Nor should they, that’s how rule of law can succumb to mob rule.
minus-squareCableMonsterlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·9 months agoI understand that, but when judges do things like remove people from ballots over accusation, that is obviously a political decision.
minus-squareFlowVoid@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1·edit-29 months agoWhen they reject congressional maps that violate the Voting Rights Act, that is also political. It has resulted in elected representatives losing their seats. Multiple times. Judges enforce the law, and politics are not above the law
The 14th Amendment applies to insurrections, not just wars.
Any attempt to stop the function of government by force is an insurrection, including the Whiskey Rebellion, the Civil War, and Jan 6.
Sounds good if it is a universally understood insurrection.
Insurrection has a legal definition, and that’s the definition that counts.
Judges are the ones responsible for deciding whether a legal definition applies, and so far all those involved said it does.
Do you see the issue with one judge or a couple judges deciding who get to run for office at their whim?
Judges already do a lot more than that, they have the power to decide who lives and dies.
Thats fair, but Trump running for office could be a lot bigger than that if it leads to domestic conflict.
Judges generally don’t care if their decisions lead to domestic conflict. Nor should they, that’s how rule of law can succumb to mob rule.
I understand that, but when judges do things like remove people from ballots over accusation, that is obviously a political decision.
When they reject congressional maps that violate the Voting Rights Act, that is also political. It has resulted in elected representatives losing their seats. Multiple times.
Judges enforce the law, and politics are not above the law