Hamas officials said on Tuesday that there had been no breakthrough in the mediated talks with Israel aimed at pausing the war and freeing the rema...
  • hydroxideEnglish
    6813·
    9 months ago

    Incredible the NYT talks about the major concessions that Israel has made with no mention of the obviously ludicrous terms that Israel has offered. Israel has made it clear the goal is a complete displacement and settlement of Gaza.

    • fluxion@lemmy.worldEnglish
      395·
      9 months ago

      Paywalled, but I’m curious, did NYT mention Netanyahu literally saying there were still going to continue the operation at a later date regardless of the ceasefire? Because that’s an absolutely ridiculous grounds for a ceasefire and giving up your leverage.

      • hydroxideEnglish
        346·
        9 months ago

        Its a temporary cease fire. Even so, Israel has broken ceasefires hundreds of times since protective edge.

        Israel has said it will not compromise on its goal of toppling Hamas in Gaza, suggesting it will not agree to a long-term truce.

        Article: https://archive.is/dV2DT

      • Telodzrum@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1616·
        9 months ago

        That’s . . . uhh

        That’s the entire reason it’s called a ceasefire; the assumption is that it’s temporary and fighting will resume.

        • fluxion@lemmy.worldEnglish
          167·
          9 months ago

          No, a ceasefire can be a precursor to a peace deal or an extended ceasefire of indeterminate. Giving up leverage in the form of hostages when fighting is guaranteed to resume in a couple months is a shitty deal and the very least Netanyahu could’ve done if he had any interest whatsoever was to keep his mouth shut.

          • Telodzrum@lemmy.worldEnglish
            925·
            9 months ago

            Me: Yeah, the term itself is generally understood to be a temporary pause of hostilities. You: wHaT AbOuT eDgE cAsEs

            • fluxion@lemmy.worldEnglish
              175·
              9 months ago

              Me: actual pros/cons based on reality of situation

              You: what about Webster’s dictionary?

                • TheDoozer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  113·
                  9 months ago

                  The main purpose of words having meaning is to effectively communicate.

                  Ignoring the context that words are used and insisting on very narrow definitions is not only pedantic, but hinders the ideas being communicated.

  • Chainweasel@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3519·
    9 months ago

    I wonder how many articles we’ll have by this afternoon that tell us why this is Biden’s fault and why we shouldn’t vote for him because of it.

  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2915·
    9 months ago

    Full on propaganda headline by NYT. Unsurprising as usual.

    Israel rejected the ceasefire because Biden puts no pressure on them. Then they made their own ridiculous "counter bid of "take all offer nothing.

    Things Biden can do which American presidents have done in the past that directly stopped israel violating human rights:

    • Threaten to put sanctions on israel

    • Hold up the delivery of weapons and fighter jets

    • Remove israel’s loan guarantees.

    • FenrirIII@lemmy.worldEnglish
      915·
      9 months ago

      I love how you always make this Biden’s fault. Like the Middle East was calm until Biden made Israel invade Gaza. This crap has been going on for decades and you expect him to wave a magic wand and fix it? The whole region is a powder keg. Israel has its uses for the US and the government knows that.

      • flying_sheepEnglish
        131·
        9 months ago

        No, that’s literally what happened in the past. When Israel’s government didn’t want to stop, it was the US president of the time who stopped them. Even fucking Reagan did it.

      • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        146·
        9 months ago

        Who bypassed congress to give israel weapons for their Genocide?

        Was that the spirit of time? Or Joe Biden?