Off the top of my head, he was going to bailout the mortgage holders, reign in the banks, close Gitmo, end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, pass universal healthcare, and end warrantless wiretaps. He either abandoned those objectives (sometimes when he held a super-majority) or technically did something but not really (like ending the warrantless wiretap program but creating a mass surveillance program). Anyway, maybe, “radical leftist,” is a little hyperbolic, but he ran further to the left than anyone had since the 70s and he governed slightly to the left of George W.
He didn’t really do anything for gay rights either. He didn’t even support gay marriage until his second term. Gay marriage only became law because of the Supreme Court.
OK, well what the hell are you talking about? Who, “stripped gay people of their rights?” Because in my lifetime, there have been two major changes in gay rights. One was DOMA, which rejected gay marriage, and was passed by a Republican congress and signed by Bill Clinton. The other was the Obergefell v. Hodges, where a conservative leaning Supreme Court legalized gay marriage. So why is this your litmus test? Why does being ambivalent on gay rights for half his Presidency mean Obama can’t be a, “conservative asshole?”
You just argued that Obama wasn’t a conservative based entirely on the fact that he had a, “casual indifference,” towards gay rights, but sure, I’m the idiot.
I think it might actually be impossible to remain a good person as a president, even if you manage to somehow be a good person who can become president (also rare)
The president definitely has to be an asshole to some extent, because it’s impossible to make everyone happy in this country.
With that said, we’ve seen presidents do what they say they’re gonna do, even as progressives. We sat through four years of Trump using every possible resource to do the awful stuff he did, and there’s no good reason why anyone should look at Biden and expect less than that.
Democrats deserve credit for ruling as conservatives. They reinforced the narrative that voting is pointless, at least in terms of federal elections.
By my understanding, radical left for Americans and also slightly less so but also Canadians is kinda center right for the rest of the world. I’ve also heard people start calling politicians radical when they bait and switch even though that’s not really how that word works.
That is a better way of putting it, thanks. Not just outside the status quo but pushing to change it. I still think it carries a milder connotation than neo-Nazis or Anarchists and different language should be used for the fringe than just further-than-mainstream politics.
I don’t know many honest people for whom the current system is working great, so I’d warrant that not being some kind of radical might be the more extreme position
i was thinking explicit actions, more so than vague terms, kind of defeats the whole point of describing “radical right/left wing” if we simply go back to using another vague term doesnt it?
Do we live in the same reality?
Off the top of my head, he was going to bailout the mortgage holders, reign in the banks, close Gitmo, end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, pass universal healthcare, and end warrantless wiretaps. He either abandoned those objectives (sometimes when he held a super-majority) or technically did something but not really (like ending the warrantless wiretap program but creating a mass surveillance program). Anyway, maybe, “radical leftist,” is a little hyperbolic, but he ran further to the left than anyone had since the 70s and he governed slightly to the left of George W.
It’s more accurate to say he made leftist promises, and then turned out to be just another conservative asshole with amazing oratory skills.
I’m sorry, I must have missed the part where Obama stripped gay people of their rights
He didn’t really do anything for gay rights either. He didn’t even support gay marriage until his second term. Gay marriage only became law because of the Supreme Court.
Imagine the privilege of someone unable to tell the difference between casual indifference and outright hostility.
OK, well what the hell are you talking about? Who, “stripped gay people of their rights?” Because in my lifetime, there have been two major changes in gay rights. One was DOMA, which rejected gay marriage, and was passed by a Republican congress and signed by Bill Clinton. The other was the Obergefell v. Hodges, where a conservative leaning Supreme Court legalized gay marriage. So why is this your litmus test? Why does being ambivalent on gay rights for half his Presidency mean Obama can’t be a, “conservative asshole?”
I don’t even know where to start with this idiocy
You just argued that Obama wasn’t a conservative based entirely on the fact that he had a, “casual indifference,” towards gay rights, but sure, I’m the idiot.
LMFAO
Heavy sits the crown
I think it might actually be impossible to remain a good person as a president, even if you manage to somehow be a good person who can become president (also rare)
The president definitely has to be an asshole to some extent, because it’s impossible to make everyone happy in this country.
With that said, we’ve seen presidents do what they say they’re gonna do, even as progressives. We sat through four years of Trump using every possible resource to do the awful stuff he did, and there’s no good reason why anyone should look at Biden and expect less than that.
Democrats deserve credit for ruling as conservatives. They reinforced the narrative that voting is pointless, at least in terms of federal elections.
Youre right. I lived so long under Obama the president i’d forgotten Obama the candidate
Right? I was there man, what the fuck is this take?
By my understanding, radical left for Americans and also slightly less so but also Canadians is kinda center right for the rest of the world. I’ve also heard people start calling politicians radical when they bait and switch even though that’s not really how that word works.
radical right/far right, is pushing neo nazi territory. Radical left/far left, is people who like socialism and communism.
“Radical” just means “outside the status quo”. “Extremist” is more the term you want there.
Radical has a customary meaning in this context - someone calling for systemic change
That is a better way of putting it, thanks. Not just outside the status quo but pushing to change it. I still think it carries a milder connotation than neo-Nazis or Anarchists and different language should be used for the fringe than just further-than-mainstream politics.
I don’t know many honest people for whom the current system is working great, so I’d warrant that not being some kind of radical might be the more extreme position
You wouldn’t be the first to float some form of “centrism is an extreme position” and I can’t say I disagree.
if we’re talking extremists we’re talking our boy the unambomber, and uh, the people that bombed abortion clinics, maybe.
I dont actually have a good second handle for extremists on the right lol. I guess hate criming nazis? That kind of shit.
“Terrorist” works fine.
i was thinking explicit actions, more so than vague terms, kind of defeats the whole point of describing “radical right/left wing” if we simply go back to using another vague term doesnt it?