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Stop doing Discord
- capitalists were not supposed to own your community
- Years of hanging out yet no real-world use found for sending your private data to be sold to advertisers
- Wanted to leak private data anyway for a laugh? We had a tool for that; it was called “turning off ublock origin”
- “Yes please search our chat archive for answers to your question. it will certainly remain up forever and not get deleted when the shareholders realize it’s not profitable” statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
Look at what discord admins have been demanding your respect for all this time:
- task manager screenshot, discord using 97% of CPU
- discord making too many automated requests and getting throttled
- crash screenshot
“3rd-party client? lifetime ban”
They have played us for absolute fools
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Discord is easily accessible text/image and voice chat that just works for the majority. If you want people to switch off it then you’re going to need Matrix to catch up in basic features and accessibility at the very least.
I mean honestly has matrix not caught up? It’s been perfectly usable and honestly more responsive than discord so far. The only real pain point was the most baseline effort that goes into e2e encryption but even then that wasn’t really… difficult?
Does it have voice chat built in and is it as easy to use and accessible as Discord?
Last time I looked this was not the case. No point lecturing people until Matrix or a viable alternative catches up at least.
Yeah it has voice chat, video calls, and screen sharing. I haven’t tested any of them yet personally (soon™) but they are stated features. Element in particular is rolling out video rooms right now, still in beta, which operate identically to voice channels in discord from a UX perspective. So all said not too bad.
I see that it has 8 person voip… but does it have an actual voice chat like Discord?
Voip is a voice chat, so your question doesn’t make much sense. You can voice chat in voice rooms identically to discord, as I said above.
There is no longer an eight person limit on video or voice calls. There is a limit depending on your server.
The best that I could find was that there was an 8 person limit and that it wasn’t as straightforward as Discord at all.
It’s still nice to see them trying and hopefully one day it’ll be a viable alternative to Discord itself.
The best that you could find?
I am personally unconvinced it’s not a viable alternative to dsicord already. But yes it will always be improving and it will be good to see how far it continues to improve.
Let’s be real here for a second: Companies are NEVER your friend. NEVER EVER. But if you keep looking for it, you will find something that makes you leave every company behind. You’ll end up in the woods. Some ignorance is needed to live a decent life. You can act if a company gets to a point where it’s too much.
Okay, but on the other hand Discord is basically IRC but worse, and I hate it every time I need to use that stupid site. The fact that its evil is really just rubbing salt in the wound. For me anyway.
On the other hand, I have hated the experience every single time I ever needed to get on to IRC for any reason. And needing to either stay logged in or run my own private always-on bounce server in order to see what overseas friends have been up to while I was asleep? Man, that’s such a bad user experience. :(
That’s fair. It would probably be more precise to say that Discord adds a whole bunch of stuff to IRC, and for my purposes it’s more bad than good, but if you’re trying to use it like a social media platform IRC just doesn’t really work.
But personally, I’ve never looked at IRC and thought “You know what this needs? To be turned into a purple gamer social media site that’s used for tech support for some bizarre reason.” That is just not a thing I need in my life.
Long live IRC!!!
anybody else old enough to remember hopping from chat program to chat program? When I first started gaming it was teamspeak in the majority with other programs like ventrillo in the minority. Then when teamspeak got shit everybody moved to Skype. Then when Skype got shit we moved to Discord. I will say it’s shocking Discord has lasted this long honestly, but I’m not surprised if another one turns up whenever Discord gets inevitably too shit for the majority of people to handle.
Yes, I remember ICQ.
Those all-in-one chat programs like Trillian, Adium, and Pidgin were what I ended up using.
Roger wilco? 🤣 I remember seeing an advertisement for Roger wilco in a program installer and was so jazzed about the idea of talking with my friends over voice while playing games lol
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Honestly if anything wants to unseat discord they have a looooong ways to go. Discord is, imo, the most important communication tool since web forums became a thing.
I think a lot of people only have a couple of servers joined and don’t really interact with them.
For developers it’s worth is incalculable. There is a reason I happily pay for nitro.
Not all services are bad. If they had sold to MS or whatever company was courting them a while back then I would have had an issue, but literally all they have to do is just keep being good.
If something came up that were as easy to use as Discord but didn’t store all the chat centrally unencrypted… I would be well in favor of that. Like if each developer could just fire up a private server instance and I could add that server to my list and chat in their channels and jump around servers? That would be super awesome.
But yeah, I’m in probably a dozen Discord servers that I mostly follow for gamedev news or YouTube channel post updates or whatever, that I never really interact with.
It’s very similar IIRC to IRC, just… with a GUI that makes it easy to use for non-techies and those of us who just don’t have the time to memorize commands.
I honestly wouldn’t mind seeing an extension to the IRC spec to bring in reasonable discord-like functionality to some servers. It’s time we start moving back to open standards from walled gardens.
Yes, please! The UX of IRC is the absolute worst for me! Give me some IRC that’s easy to hop in and use? With file transfer and in-line image sharing and voice chat? Okay, I’m in!
Hey, those are supposed to be sarcastic!
I don’t see the punch line.
It’s funny in a meta circle jerk kinda way
Nooo let me live in blissful ignorance
Sadly I couldn’t get away. All my irl friends are in Discord.
They are also irl. Are they too far away for you?
I love this image so much I wanna hug it.
Also, read in the voice of Gianni Matragrano
No touching please
Let’s move to xmpp. Matrix is bloated
Why do you find Matrix bloated?
I literally only use discord to voice chat with my friends once a year when we are gaming.
Do people use it for other stuff?
Yes, some developers use Discord to provide technical/product support - this is where the “Yes please search our chat archive for answers to your question. it will certainly remain up forever and not get deleted when the shareholders realize it’s not profitable” comes from. It’s honestly really annoying, since I don’t really want to add yet another Discord server to my existing clutter just to get an answer that may not even be there.
I really only like using Discord as a parallel community, like the Discord guild for Beehaw or the ones I used to be on which were associated with other forums/subreddits/etc. Making it a privileged channel for getting important announcements, support, or other information feels like stretching it beyond what it’s good for, on top of the fact that it’s still corporate and stuff could (and does) happen to it without user input.
There are social communities there who don’t gather elsewhere
i just use discord for one group my friend made called 'omies and its just like 5 of us from highschool and maybe 15 others from around the world we’ve added over the years. its mostly just for us to have a place to voice chat while we game. I don’t use discord for anything else.
I can’t remember what Discord did at the time, but there was a decent push to try and move to a different platform. We tried out Guilded, but we had a pretty hard time getting adoption from the users on our Discord server and ended up dropping the transition.
I didn’t think I’d ever say this again, but TeamSpeak 5 is actually looking like it could be the solution we’re looking for. I still need to figure out how I can host a server compatible with version 5 though.
What about element/matrix?
I only just learned about that combination yesterday. Sounds like I should look into it a bit more?
Absolutely, it’s fantastic and I highly recommend it.
I use community.rs if you’re in NA it’s pretty good.
Does Matrix have an equivalent to “servers” on Discord? Like, I can join one and it comes with a bunch of chat rooms owned and moderated by the same community? Because that’s the biggest thing I used Discord for is following and interacting with communities I’m in; and I just fired up Element and I see nothing that hints that it would be possible…
Yes, they’re called spaces.
Hey, thanks! I’ve now found them!
How does Teamspeak differ from Discord in terms of ownership? Bc it seems like the functionality is pretty similar
My understanding is that while Teamspeak does provide some public servers that you can connect to, most servers are privately hosted.
People either subscribe to hosting services or host it on their own hardware which gives you complete control of the server and the content.
I know I’m planning on trying to host my community server on my hardware, but I’m not too sure about how the “Homebase” comes into play with TS5
I still need to figure out how I can host a server compatible with version 5 though.
You can’t. Only trusted vendors at the moment can host v5. You can only host v3 and v5 clients can still connect.
You can get banned for third party clients? I’ve been using BetterDiscord for years now with no issues. I hate the direction of Discord though, I agree with everything else.
Here’s an old post from the Discord support forum talking about this. Not sure if Discord is still handing out bans for third-party clients, but it’s definitely a possibility.
I gotcha. I think currently, you’d only get banned if they found out (which they can’t currently). If the app ever becomes more invasive client side, I’m certain it would cause a ban wave (and maybe a small riot) but for now, it’s not that risky.
