• apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    He’s still against universal healthcare. I am tired of folks beating people for wanting candidates that are more electable than Biden running instead of him. Universal healthcare polls well on the right and left.

    That one issue tells you everything you need to know about him, he sides with corporate lobbyists before material needs of the people.

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      9 months ago

      What polls are you looking at that have universal health care polling well on both sides?

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        Anyone that asks the question.

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          Every poll I can find has the large majority of Republicans opposing single payer health care. Some are in favor of “universal health care” but that being a mix of public and private similar to what the afordable* care act with the individual mandate did.

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          72% of Democrats, 13% of Republicans support government-run system

          Currently, 88% of Democrats and 59% of independents but just 28% of Republicans think the government is responsible.

          Your source seems to disagree.

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            Oh OK, just a vast majority of Americans and a growing subset of republicans. So why aren’t the democrats choosing a candidate that supports this again?

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              I was just wondering about your statement that majorities on both sides support it. Not really debating that it’s a good idea.

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        Thanks, I’m in my 50s. I remember. I also remember the electability politics used in that election on the democratic side by corporate media to force a right of center candidate. He also didn’t beat any one in primaries in this election, which is a different election.

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          electability politics used in that election on the democratic side by corporate media to force a right of center candidate.

          That’s a lot of words for “my politics are not as popular as I wish they were”.

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            You have a lot of ad hominem and poorly backed up arguments. Electability is a term that was used a ton by corporate media to give Biden an edge over candidates that polled better than him in hypothetical general elections with Trump. It is fact. You can look it up but you don’t want to learn. Goodbye.

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        Beat = Got Obama to convince many of them to drop out and endorse him in the same night

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      Remember how much political capital Obama had to spend just to get the ACA passed, and even then just barely? I would love universal healthcare but this probably isn’t the best time to push for it, at least not until fascism is defeated and Democrats have the numbers. The president isn’t a genie who can just make things like this happen unilaterally. The public may support it but Republicans do not.

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        This is a bleak perspective and I refuse to believe that it isn’t a good time. When will it ever. That view will never produce change.

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          Pushing for legislation that is a non-starter when we are barely able to pass a budget to keep the government running isn’t a great strategy. Political capital needs to be spent where it is most effective, even if that means putting good legislation that isn’t viable on the back burner from time to time.

          I hope we get universal healthcare sooner rather than later, but our problems are a little more existential right now. They might elect the guy who wants to end democracy. Sometimes we must compromise and do what is viable rather than what is desired. The good should not be sacrificed in pursuit of the perfect.

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            People not getting healthcare right now, is just as existential. Why are we not deserving of passing that? The time to fight for things like that is now. I’m not saying we shouldn’t vote against Trump, we are all saying it is best to have a healthy conversation about who would be a better candidate overall.