I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.

Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.

The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as “we’ll just handle it”) plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.

Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.

  • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
    2·
    9 months ago

    Fleshed out descriptions of socialism and communism usually discuss emulating the successes of industrial capitalism while mitigating the failures.

    This is true for socialism, but communist economics are traditionally moneyless.

    Socialism is conceptualized as a transitional economic stage, so it makes a lot of sense it would share commonalities with capitalism.

    Armed revolutionary communism is a bit of a misnomer, since it’s a part of that socialist transitional stage towards communism. If memory serves, it has basically only been done in rural/early industrial states.

    • Fedizen@lemmy.world
      4·
      9 months ago

      Currency has always been a metaphor for energy and other resources to help alleviate the incongruities of a barter economy. A moneyless society is just a barter economy even if people’s needs are largely met.

      • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
        11·
        9 months ago

        A moneyless society is just a barter economy even if people’s needs are largely met.

        I’m not even sure this is really true, but even if it was it would still be fundamentally different from industrial capitalism.

        • Fedizen@lemmy.world
          1·
          9 months ago

          The point is not that its the same as capitalism, its just there are constraints on social reality as there are on physical resources. Money is a state intervention and one of the results are systems that skim money off the top of it. Its obvious that an effecient theoretical economy would be more efficient without money as it creates a lot of unwanted problems.

          • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
            11·
            9 months ago

            Can you clarify the intent and meaning of this original statement? Maybe i’ve misunderstood what you’re trying to say:

            To the people doing “capitalism bad” replies I implore you to check out socialist economists. Fleshed out descriptions of socialism and communism usually discuss emulating the successes of industrial capitalism while mitigating the failures