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    9 months ago

    Piracy is stealing.

    No it is not. By any definition.

    You can think it’s morally wrong, that’s fine. But it simply, factually is not stealing.

    That’s the only point I’m making.

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      9 months ago

      Then we’ll have to agree to disagree. It doesn’t matter how many levels of abstraction or semantics you hide it behind, you’re gaining from something made by another person without returning that gain (whether financially or otherwise) to that person.

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        9 months ago

        You’re welcome to disagree with any standardized definition you like. Seems like a pretty unwise thing to do, but that’s your prerogative.

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          9 months ago

          Someone else posted the definition of stealing in this thread elsewhere. If I gain something from someone without giving them what they’ve demanded in return, it’s stealing.

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            9 months ago

            To steal something, you must actually take something away from someone, such that they do not have that thing anymore.

            That’s not how piracy works.

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              9 months ago

              No, you do not. If you hire someone to make you a website/video/picture and then don’t pay them after they’ve created it, you’re stealing from them. You can argue the semantics of that all day long and say that it’s a different term, I don’t care. You’re stealing from someone when you gain something from their work without compensating them (if they’re asking to be compensated in exchange for that work).

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                9 months ago

                If you hire someone to make you a website/video/picture and then don’t pay them after they’ve created it, you’re stealing from them.

                Nope, you’ve potentially violated a contract, but you haven’t stolen anything.

                By your definition, if I lend my friend a DVD movie and they watch it, they’ve now stolen that movie.

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                  9 months ago

                  More semantics. This is exhausting dealing with your dishonesty. You’ve stolen the product that they created for you because you haven’t paid them for it. Sure, it would be a violation of a contract too but I think most reasonable people would agree that you stole the website/video/picture.

                  And no… by my definition, nothing is stolen in your example because you lent your friend the movie. You gave them permission to have it on a temporary basis. If they never return it to you, then they’ve stolen it. Your examples are terrible.

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                    9 months ago

                    More semantics. This is exhausting dealing with your dishonesty.

                    Fuck off with that. I’m being no more dishonest than you. No need for bullshit accusations.

                    And no… by my definition, nothing is stolen in your example because you lent your friend the movie. You gave them permission to have it on a temporary basis. If they never return it to you, then they’ve stolen it. Your examples are terrible.

                    “You’re stealing from someone when you gain something from their work without compensating them (if they’re asking to be compensated in exchange for that work).”

                    The friend has gained something from that work without compensating the creator, who has explicitly asked for it. They haven’t stolen from me, but they’ve stolen from the creator, according to you.