Hey, everyone reddit is going through a tizzy and with a blackout being proposed on the subreddit of pathfinder2.E I was wondering If this could be a place for people to start moving too?

  • PriorProject@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10·
    2 years ago

    There’s a few potential directions from which to answer this question:

    • This community is a fine place to discuss pathfinder 2e things. And in that respect at least it’s similar to /r/Pathfinder2e.
    • Lemmy.ml is not a great instance that suggest new Lemmy users to create an account on, as it’s gotten overloaded with the influx of new users and adding more accounts there is disproportionately likely to get the instance into performance problems. See https://lemmy.ml/post/1147770 for details. Instead recommend folks to pick an instance to join that currently has less than 500 monthly users from https://join-lemmy.org/instances.
    • No matter what instance someone joins, they can subscribe to this community which is homed on lemmy.ml, and federation will allow them to read and post comments on this community irrespective of what Lemmy instance they have an account on. Well, almost no matter what instance they choose. They should check lemmy.ml/instances/ to ensure the instance they’re about to join is federated with Lemmy.ml, but almost all are.
    • The /r/Pathfinder2e mods haven’t made any statements about the API changes or 3rd party apps. There’s little chance of them supporting a mass migration of the whole community anytime soon (it’s also not clear that the Lemmy ecosystem would gracefully handle that many people joining together). This is best thought of as an independent Pathfinder community that likely shares some people overlap with the subreddit (for now at least, I’m in both).

    Maybe this gives you a few ways to think about your personal interaction here vs /r/Pathfinder2e, and ideas about what you’d want to suggest to friends or folks you like to chat about pf2e with.

      • PriorProject@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        2 years ago

        Also I didn’t realize that lemmy.ml had a pathfinder community and honestly thought I found the https://pathfinder.social/ community…

        FYI, communities without a server in their name are on your local server. So for you, Pathfinder2e would really be Pathfinder2e@lemmy.ml, because your account is on lemmy.ml. If I saw a Pathfinder2e community, it would be Pathfinder2e@lemmy.world, since that’s where my account is.

        Remote communities have their server-name shown, so for me this community shows up clearly as Pathfinder2e.lemmy.ml since it’s a remote community for me. For both of us, a pathfinder.social community will be clearly marked as such since that’s not either of our home instances. You may have to search for !communityName@pathfinder.social to add the remote communities to lemme.ml’s community browser if you’re the first person to search them. Remote subs don’t show up until someone looks for them.

        Having an account on lemmy.ml I think makes it easy to get confused about these things since so many of the big subs are local for you. I had to grapple with remote communities and federation immediately because I joined my server when it was like 2d old and it had almost no local communities except the ones admins use for announcements.

        Anyhow, good luck and see you here and here and in the pathfinder.social communities.

        • fruitywelshOPEnglish
          2·
          2 years ago

          Will external communities only show up in the communities search space if someone else has already mentioned them?

          • PriorProject@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            2 years ago

            Yeah, https://lemmy.ml/communities/listing_type/All/page/1 is populated by communities that:

            • Exist on an instance that lemmy.ml federates with (the federation list for lemmyl is at https://lemmy.ml/instances if you want to see what servers are on the list) AND a user has interacted with the community, usually by searching with the bang or url syntax from the communities page.
            • OR if it’s a local community. Then it shows up automatically on creation.

            So the way to join is to…

            1. Visit https://pathfinder.social/communities, right-click on a community you want to join and copy it’s url.
            2. Then go to https://lemmy.ml/communities/ and search that url. Weirdly nothing gets returned, I don’t know why. But you DO need to conduct this seemingly broken search (or someone does, once anyone searches, the community gets added to the list).
            3. Then search for some keyword in the name of the community (like “pathfinder” or “off topic”), and NOW the community from pathfinder social will show up.

            I know this procedure is feckin weird and makes no sense, but you need that first url search that returns nothing to prime things… then the second search will start to work and you can click the join button to subscribe. Like I said, it’s pretty rare to have to do this on lemmy.ml since it’s a big instance and people have already searched for most communities and so they’re in your list. But as a very new and pretty niche set of communities, you may be the first subscriber to these communities on pathfinder.social and so have to go through the searching dance.

      • PriorProject@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        2 years ago

        Oh, wow, that must be brand new. Yeah, if someone is setting up a pathfinder focused instance with granular sub-communities that are well moderated, that could very easily overtake this community as the most popular pathfinder space.

        I wouldn’t worry about posting here (or other lemmy.ml communities) overwhelming the server. I’ve seen recent posts where the admins say posts/comments aren’t the problem, it’s users joining too fast and browsing too much. So this is still a fine place to chat PF2e… though I’m definitely gonna go check out pathfinder.social and hopefully it takes off. This has not been very active.

      • BarbarianEnglish
        3·
        2 years ago

        I didn’t even know that was a thing. Subscribed!

  • BarbarianEnglish
    6·
    2 years ago

    Definitely yes on lemmy in general, definitely no to lemmy.ml. Pick a server you like the rules & admin for, maybe ask the admin directly, and direct everyone to that server. That way you can also host the PF2E community on that server.

    Things are already getting way too centralized on lemmy.ml, we need to spread out a bit

    • fruitywelshOPEnglish
      2·
      2 years ago

      Thought I was hitting the pf2e community on https://pathfinder.social/ tbh agreed on the spreading out. Trying to find the balance between needing more sysads for communities that want their own spaces and finding servers that are inclusive to the subs and also not overloaded is tricky. Any suggestions to help with that?

      • BarbarianEnglish
        2·
        2 years ago

        I don’t think there’s an easy straight-forward answer to that. This is one of those things that’s gonna have to be the result of a process of trial, error and waiting for new solutions and development.

        One thing that might happen is something like Foundry’s server hosting ecosystem, where you have companies that specialize in hosting just Foundry as easily and simply as possible (I.E: moltenhosting). If that happens, then anybody setting up a new server is just a small payment away.