Un post très interessant à lire, en anglais. Ça ouvre de belles perspectives :)

https://nostr.com/

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/11570081

Mastodon is a great platform. I have an account there, and I have been using it as a twitter replacement for several months. I have been using nostr for around two months. I have also read fairly deeply into how Mastodon and Nostr work. I think nostr is better. Here’s why.

Background:

Mastodon and Nostr offer basically the same thing: a federated/decentralized replacement to twitter. They share the same basic features: tweeting, following people, a public square w/ trending notes and hashtags moderated by instance rules, DMs.

Mastodon/Lemmy/Kbin all federate through an underlying protocol called ActivityPub. You create an account at an instance which you use to interact with these sites. Your instance can push/pull data to other instances via the AP protocol.

Nostr is an underlying protocol, like ActivityPub. The main service is hosts currently, called Nostr, is a twitter clone, but there’s other stuff like a video streaming platform. They all federate with each other just like Mastodon/Lemmy/Kbin. There is no reddit clone on nostr yet, but I imagine it’s only a matter of time.

Instead of “instances”, nostr has “relays”. The app or site you connect to nostr through will usually connect to multiple relays (just like your mastodon instance will connect to multiple other instances). Relays, like instances, have their own moderation policies and can choose what kind of content they allow.

Here’s why I think nostr simply works better:

  • In mastodon your identity is tied to your instance, in nostr it’s not. If your instance decides to close up? You have to make a new account somewhere else. You lose all your followers, the list of who you follow, your tweets, your DMs, etc. This sucks. This happened to me early in my mastodon experience. It was annoying, but it would be way more annoying if I had spent five years building up that account.
  • In mastodon, your instance can stop you from seeing content from other instances and ban users from other instances. It can stop you from following them or being followed by them. While this moderation might be nice sometimes, I’d rather it be opt-in than mandatory. Nostr relays don’t have this power. Nostr doesn’t allow this because you are usually connected to multiple relays. While a single relay can do this (as each relay sets its own policies), as long as one relay you are connected to lets the data flow, you are good to go.
  • In mastodon, admins can read your DMs. If you DM somebody on another instance, that’s two instances that can read your DMs, and so can anybody who breaks into their server. In nostr, all DMs are encrypted by default and can only be read by the intended recipient.
  • If mastodon and fediverse’s goals are to create a P2P or federated network of instances, having users tied to instances is not good. It incentivizes users to pick bigger, more stable instances which will lead to centralization over time.

A question of funding

One question that fediverse needs to solve is: how are we going to fund hosting costs for instances and more broadly, development?

There are many valid options such as: ads on instances, selling “badges” or awards like reddit, subscriptions for extra features, etc. What is not a sustainable plan, imo, is just hoping users donate enough to keep things afloat. Open source and free software projects have a long history of being underfunded leading to them closing up shop or not reaching their full potential. Nostr at least has a potential answer for this, while AP/fedi don’t really seem to yet.

Nostr has an optional built-in tipping functionality where you can leave tips for users whose content you like. You can tip a fraction of a penny or $100. And users can tip you. This has a few effects. For one, it incentivizes people to use nostr. Non-profit orgs, for example, can use it to fundraise.

Secondly, it provides a sustainable funding mechanisms for relays and development. When you make a tip, it goes through your “tip pool” and you can select people or entities to give a % of every tip to. So, for example, you can leave a 10c tip on a tweet and 1c automatically goes to the relay operator.

Where Mastodon/AP is better:

  • Mastodon has more people I want to follow. There is a greater user base and diversity.
  • Mastodon has a more consistent interface. Pretty much every mastodon site looks the same. Nostr has a dizzying array of apps and web portals. That’s great for user choice, not great for user onboarding.
  • While nostr relays in theory can filter content and cultivate public squares with specific sets of values, I’ve found in practice this hasn’t been done as much, most relays seem the same. I think in time as the user base grows this will happen organically, there’s just little reason to separate them out now.
  • Password recovery/account loss. With nostr, your identity is a private key generated by your client. This means your identity isn’t tied to an instance (yay!). But, if you lose the private key, you lose your identity and have to make a new one. Likewise, if somebody steals your key, they can post as you. And there is no real password recovery functionality since nobody else has your password. There are good technical solutions for this like social account recovery and key revocation certificates but they aren’t currently implemented. I imagine they will be with time.
  • Mastodon/Lemmy/Kbin/etc can all talk to each other through ActivityPub. While Nostr’s underlying protocol supports this kind of federation, the twitter clone is the main platform with users on it and it doesn’t have a reddit clone etc.
  • The AP username format of username@website.com is much better than nostrs long public keys. There are some nostr protocol proposals to make this better, some of which are out there and working, but it’s not really standardized yet.
  • rakoo@blah.rako.space
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    10 months ago

    Bref, nostr c’est de droite, mastodon c’est de gauche, suivez-moi pour des analyses politiques bien biaisées de qualitay

    @france

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      10 months ago

      C’est parfait, je signe où ? 😍

      Après je connais un hacker qui adore la coopération et a imaginé un web avec des ID basé sur la blockchain que je trouve interessant.

      Moi ce qui me plait dans tout ça c’est que ça met en lumière une stucture technico-sociale et économique. Et soulèves plein de questions. :)

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        Si t’as des id t’as pas besoin de blockchain, la blockchain sert à répartir des ressources limitées comme par exemple des identifiants compréhensibles. Les ids sont incompréhensibles donc la blockchain sert à R

        C’est exactement ça, la dimension sociale est *toujours* là, la question est de savoir si elle est importante ou pas.

        @france

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          10 months ago

          Je te retrouve son post, c’est un gars dans le hacking social je trouve. Il adore créer plein de choses et pour moi c’est de l’abstraction pure ^^ On va parler de monnaie libre, gouvernance et blockchain. :)

          Edit 1 : completer texte.

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            Bon alors j’ai lu en diagonale, ça commence fort, quand on lui pose une question il répond avec un screenshot de la question posée à chatgpt et une vidéo d’Idriss Aberkane, j’ai bien rigolé merci. Le 1er lien ne raconte pas grand chose de nouveau.

            Dans son 2e lien le type invente… la toile de confiance, que PGP sait faire depuis 1992 (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toile_de_confiance).

            Je vois pas trop ce qu’il y a de nouveau dans ce qu’il propose, à part mettre de la g1 d’une manière ou d’une autre mais sans vraiment dire comment ni pourquoi.

            @france

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              • Dans le deuxième lien, il explique la toile de confiance et fournis les calculs de scuttlebutt et amène des questions imtéressantes. Bon c’est ce que j’avais aimé en plus de ses créations de tag, billet…

              Il faut savoir que la monnaie libre est basée sur la toile de confiance et fonctionne avec la règle des 5 pas et par coptation. C’est une cryptomonnaie reposant sur la blockchain, décentralisation, toile de confiance et dividende universelle.

              Elle n’a rien à voir avec le Bitcoin.

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              Dans le lien 1 j’ai pas vu la vidéo d’Idriss mais son post sur vulgarisation du web3 avec les schémas que j’ai trouvé intéressant. Vu ton expertise, tu peux nous offrir un autre regard sur ce sujet ? C’est biaisé ? Ça a un sens ? :)

              Idriss je ne le connais pas, jamais écouté. En revanche j’ai eu à soustitrer une vidéo du fils de Rabbhi sur les banques et c’était nul. Yavait une part de vrai mais sans aucune nuance et tnès binaire, anti-banque, anti-système.