Like i said, it’s my opinion. We’ve seen many products in the tech space die because of the steep prices. Apple themselves has done it a couple times
Could you explain your side instead of just insulting me?
Edit: i don’t think just the price would kill it off, but the small target audience paired with the price will. I think apple should have made this product to convince the average consumer that a headset like this is worth instead of jumping head first into the Pro space. I think they should have done something similar to what Facebook did with the Oculus 1. A cheap product aimed at the average gamer, but with their famous apple polish
Maybe it won’t die, but I think the steep price definitely made the headset more of a meme. As a VR/AR fan I hope I’m wrong
If you don’t get it you don’t get it. Idk what to tell you. This is gonna change everything. Not as fast as the iPhone did at that price point, but it and the platforms it makes possible will be ubiquitous eventually just the same.
You have yet to explain your reasons lol. Do you even know?? I usually don’t respond to comments like yours but i genuinely want to know your POV
I have no doubt the DNA of this device will live in our future with AR glasses getting smaller and smaller each year, but those things have been products for years and concepts for decades
Apple really isn’t doing much this time around to innovate concepts, but the technology is there fs. Not necessarily new technology, but they’re the only ones willing to put all of the technology in a consumer device and charge what they’re charging. There have been enterprise and concept devices capable of doing similar things for a while now tho
I was flabbergasted by what they chose to emphasize in terms of software, particularly in the areas of gaming and social.
Was there anything said about gaming on this thing except for the fact that you can play some number of Apple Arcade games on flat virtual screens inside VR? If I want to play flat video games, I can buy both an awesome TV and a high-end gaming PC for $3,500… except that I don’t have to because I already have those things if I care about gaming and have $3,500 of discretionary income. With those two items, not only can I play, but other people can play with me on the same screen. Still other people can watch us play together. We’ll be seeing these games at the highest possible fidelity, and they will be the games you want to play in that kind of setting — the big budget bombastic “experience” games that are released on PC but generally aren’t on Apple Arcade.
If I’m going to game in a headset, it’s because I want to feel present within the game. That’s the thing a headset can do that my flat screen can’t. Gaming in VR is a transcendent experience. Why would I want to pay for an incredibly expensive headset just so I can create a fake TV that’s any size I want to game on? For that price, I can “create” a real TV that’s pretty much any size I want and game on it. It just seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of why this technology is worth caring about.
Same goes for social. I was shocked to see what Facetime is on the Vision Pro. They’re going to give me little flat virtual square screens with all the call participants in them? Then, they’re going to build a 3D model of me and have it mimic my expressions… all on a flat plane for the other call participants? Sure, building a 3D me is cool and impressive, but what’s the point if you’re going to them put on yet another virtual screen? Social in VR is about presence! Facetime in VR/AR should allow me to feel like I’m occupying the same virtual space as someone I would love to be physically present with but can’t. VR Chat already does this! It doesn’t look like me, but it doesn’t matter because it feels like we’re together. And there’s no reason we couldn’t have both.
Maybe all of this goes away with third party software. It certainly could, but what’s the install base going to be on a $3,500 headset? Will it be large enough for developers to line up to port their VR apps or develop new apps that could actually realize the promise of this new device? I’m skeptical. I’m afraid Apple’s restrained offerings may be nearly all we’ll get.
It seems like a major regression from the Apple that envisioned the iPhone. Smartphones already existed. They ran operating systems like Windows CE, which was effectively Windows but shrunk. The reason the iPhone succeeded where the others hadn’t is because Apple dared to break out of the old UI paradigms and imagine what this new mode of interaction could be.
Here, it feels like we’re floating infinitely large iPads in front of you. Who cares? If I want an iPad floating in space, I can hold it in front of me. If I want it smaller, I can move it further away or switch to an iPhone. If I want it larger, I can pull it closer or AirPlay my Mac to a TV. What’s the point of using a headset for this when it could be doing so much more with it.
The quality of life improvements they’ve made seems amazing, but the rest feels like a major fumble to me. Their vision for this technology is just so small!
Agreed. I was hoping it would target the average consumer and not the “pro” fanatic consumer
Like yeah the camera features are dope and all but couldn’t they have waited a couple versions whole the technology got cheaper? I would have loved for them to make a device that isn’t as “pro” but is a great introduction to AR/VR to the average person.
Thoughts on the headset?
Kinda wierd but exciting. I think a few versions to get the odd things sorted and it’ll be really amazing
Do you think that with that price it will be successful enough to make new versions?
Also how often would they release a new version? I doubt they would release a yearly headset.
Tbh this is just my opinion but i don’t think the vision pro devices will have a long lifetime
Thank you. I just screenshotted this comment. I think you might be the single most wrong person on the planet right now.
Like i said, it’s my opinion. We’ve seen many products in the tech space die because of the steep prices. Apple themselves has done it a couple times
Could you explain your side instead of just insulting me?
Edit: i don’t think just the price would kill it off, but the small target audience paired with the price will. I think apple should have made this product to convince the average consumer that a headset like this is worth instead of jumping head first into the Pro space. I think they should have done something similar to what Facebook did with the Oculus 1. A cheap product aimed at the average gamer, but with their famous apple polish
Maybe it won’t die, but I think the steep price definitely made the headset more of a meme. As a VR/AR fan I hope I’m wrong
If you don’t get it you don’t get it. Idk what to tell you. This is gonna change everything. Not as fast as the iPhone did at that price point, but it and the platforms it makes possible will be ubiquitous eventually just the same.
Sorry i guess i dont get it 🤷
If Lemmy still exists in 4 years I hope you haven’t deleted your comment or your account. I will remember you, and I will be back.
You have yet to explain your reasons lol. Do you even know?? I usually don’t respond to comments like yours but i genuinely want to know your POV
I have no doubt the DNA of this device will live in our future with AR glasses getting smaller and smaller each year, but those things have been products for years and concepts for decades
Apple really isn’t doing much this time around to innovate concepts, but the technology is there fs. Not necessarily new technology, but they’re the only ones willing to put all of the technology in a consumer device and charge what they’re charging. There have been enterprise and concept devices capable of doing similar things for a while now tho
What is on the other side of the cable? Battery or an iPhone?
Edit: Battery for a two our runtime. Ouch.
I was flabbergasted by what they chose to emphasize in terms of software, particularly in the areas of gaming and social.
Was there anything said about gaming on this thing except for the fact that you can play some number of Apple Arcade games on flat virtual screens inside VR? If I want to play flat video games, I can buy both an awesome TV and a high-end gaming PC for $3,500… except that I don’t have to because I already have those things if I care about gaming and have $3,500 of discretionary income. With those two items, not only can I play, but other people can play with me on the same screen. Still other people can watch us play together. We’ll be seeing these games at the highest possible fidelity, and they will be the games you want to play in that kind of setting — the big budget bombastic “experience” games that are released on PC but generally aren’t on Apple Arcade.
If I’m going to game in a headset, it’s because I want to feel present within the game. That’s the thing a headset can do that my flat screen can’t. Gaming in VR is a transcendent experience. Why would I want to pay for an incredibly expensive headset just so I can create a fake TV that’s any size I want to game on? For that price, I can “create” a real TV that’s pretty much any size I want and game on it. It just seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of why this technology is worth caring about.
Same goes for social. I was shocked to see what Facetime is on the Vision Pro. They’re going to give me little flat virtual square screens with all the call participants in them? Then, they’re going to build a 3D model of me and have it mimic my expressions… all on a flat plane for the other call participants? Sure, building a 3D me is cool and impressive, but what’s the point if you’re going to them put on yet another virtual screen? Social in VR is about presence! Facetime in VR/AR should allow me to feel like I’m occupying the same virtual space as someone I would love to be physically present with but can’t. VR Chat already does this! It doesn’t look like me, but it doesn’t matter because it feels like we’re together. And there’s no reason we couldn’t have both.
Maybe all of this goes away with third party software. It certainly could, but what’s the install base going to be on a $3,500 headset? Will it be large enough for developers to line up to port their VR apps or develop new apps that could actually realize the promise of this new device? I’m skeptical. I’m afraid Apple’s restrained offerings may be nearly all we’ll get.
It seems like a major regression from the Apple that envisioned the iPhone. Smartphones already existed. They ran operating systems like Windows CE, which was effectively Windows but shrunk. The reason the iPhone succeeded where the others hadn’t is because Apple dared to break out of the old UI paradigms and imagine what this new mode of interaction could be.
Here, it feels like we’re floating infinitely large iPads in front of you. Who cares? If I want an iPad floating in space, I can hold it in front of me. If I want it smaller, I can move it further away or switch to an iPhone. If I want it larger, I can pull it closer or AirPlay my Mac to a TV. What’s the point of using a headset for this when it could be doing so much more with it.
The quality of life improvements they’ve made seems amazing, but the rest feels like a major fumble to me. Their vision for this technology is just so small!
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Feels like a severely misguided product, IMO.
Agreed. I was hoping it would target the average consumer and not the “pro” fanatic consumer
Like yeah the camera features are dope and all but couldn’t they have waited a couple versions whole the technology got cheaper? I would have loved for them to make a device that isn’t as “pro” but is a great introduction to AR/VR to the average person.
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