More video and eyewitness info on Al Jazeera so far

Also reported on Common Dreams and Middle East Eye.

I haven’t found any reports of any independent investigations yet, hopefully they are underway

  • bramblepatchmystery@slrpnk.net
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    10 months ago

    Here’s the thing about calling us deniers:

    The claim that Jews are attempting extermination and are being helped by the globalist liberals is the oldest conspiracy theory on earth. It keeps popping up somewhere every 20 or so years, in some rightwing shithole nation, and it’s never true. It’s solely a justification to begin a campaign of antisemitic policies and violence.

    Why should we believe the anti-Semites are telling the truth now?

    Not that you are anti-Semitic yourself, but everybody else who previously made this claim was. How can we trust that you are different and telling the truth this time?

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      10 months ago

      Because there’s physical evidence. It’s one thing when it’s a conspiracy theory about a world government. It’s something else entirely when the IDF repeatedly kills unarmed people in the open with nothing else going on. It’s another thing entirely when they’re forcing Gazans to eat grass because they won’t allow them actual food.

      It’s another thing entirely when it’s the government of Israel being protested and not some nebulous concept of Judaism.

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        10 months ago

        Physical evidence is presented to a court and tried, it isn’t decontextualized videos on tiktok and news reports from the Qatar state’s english propaganda directed at leftists.

        Do you understand the difference?

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          10 months ago

          It isn’t blanket denials from the IDF when Reuters breaks it down with hard evidence, satellite photography, and eyewitness accounts from western Journalists.

          You can try to discredit the accounts all you want but I’ve been in a war zone. I know what it’s supposed to look like and this ain’t it.

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              10 months ago

              A neutral news outlet like Reuters generally won’t apply characterisations like “genocide” themselves - they’ll report on the ICJ ruling.

              In the meantime, we can apply the UN definition the ICJ uses, or the dictionary definition for ourselves. That makes things very clear.

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                10 months ago

                If Reuters is that person’s source for his claims of genocide yet Reuters said no such thing, Reuters is not his source.

                This is the problem I having. You guys are throwing all these respected names around to make your case, but when asked for the source, it’s always “well of course they don’t actually say genocide but all the reporting in totality equals genocide.”

                So sure, how about you post here the ICJ definition of genocide and explain how the Oct. 7 war meets the definition.

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                  10 months ago

                  Raz Segal, the program director of genocide studies at Stockton University, concretely says it is a “textbook case of genocide.” Segal believes that Israeli forces are completing three genocidal acts, including, “killing, causing serious bodily harm, and measures calculated to bring about the destruction of the group.” He points to the mass levels of destruction and total siege of basic necessities—like water, food, fuel, and medical supplies—as evidence. Source

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                    10 months ago

                    So you are saying this person’s source is a scholar at a university yet they claimed it was Reuters to make it sound more legitimate?

                    Why would they do that.

                    Also if one scholar is enough to establish genocide, is 2 scholars enough to establish it isn’t genocide?

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          10 months ago

          Why not just take the Israeli leadership at their word and compare their actions to either the UN or dictionary definition of genocide? It’s pretty straightforward.