• AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world
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    Can we agree this state/federal “laboratories of democracy” bullshit is a failed experiment? Our framers were wealthy land owners who suggested land owners be the only class be allowed to vote, they were far from infallible, and their quarter millenia old framework isn’t compatible with or flexible enough for modernity.

    It just makes 50 societies often working against one another instead of one with common governance. This need for systemically enforced competition and disdain for the concept of cooperation is a self-destructive cultural value.

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      i think it was somewhat more sensible when the main form of communication was riders on horseback but it’s gotten stupid very quickly

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      Shall we unite behind God-King Trump then? The more decentralized and “competitive” the system, the better for most individuals. Sure, there is inefficiency, but those inefficiencies might save us from fascism.

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        The more decentralized and “competitive” the system, the better for most individuals.

        According to? If I recall some of the worst crimes in US history we’re committed with the authority of individual states. In fact it took a more centralized authority to secure the civil rights we enjoy today.

        but those inefficiencies might save us from fascism.

        Again, this doesn’t follow logic or history. Fascist don’t work within the operational parameters set by the status quo. Fascist are revolutionaries, not reformers, they don’t care about how centralized or decentralized a government is. Their entire purpose is to destroy the current hierarchical framework and replace it with their own.

        Also if we take a look at the nations where fascism did arise like pre war Italy or Germany, they were highly disorganized and fractured governments. The factional deadlock and decentralization were the only reason fascist parties made any headway in the first place.

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        No, but if we were a society we shouldn’t play by different sets of rules, and root against other members of our society, which the mini-societies at odds with each other and rooting for each other’s failures stokes.

        We should either be 50 different countries not resentfully beholden to one another while competing against each other, or preferably one nation with the same communal rules and government to complain to and change with our combined democratic power. As it is, when California suffers, Texas cheers, and vice versa. That’s a deeply broken nation at odds with itself.

        This is just some broken, in-between limbo that’s the worst of both scenarios. A house divided - by design! Good for monied interests to exploit and play against itself, think of Amazon starting tax cut bidding wars between states to build there, not good for the people en masse, the people that need their state’s capitalist businesses to pay taxes for the commons like schools and roads.