Ron DeSantis is ending his 2024 Republican presidential campaign after failing to overtake Trump in polling or in the early vote
  • Shdwdrgn@mander.xyzEnglish
    14·
    11 months ago

    Thank god. If Trump is forced out of the race from being in jail, DeSantis was the next leader, and at this point I really don’t know which one of them is worse.

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
      10·
      11 months ago

      Trump is worse, hands down. Trump demonstrated willingness to subvert democracy, DeSantis seems to actually care about working within the system. Maybe that means DeSantis will have more success getting policy passed, but he’s less likely to become a dictator.

      • HandBreadedTools@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        11 months ago

        I highly disagree. The dude has made life for those he dislikes miserable in Florida. It has been so bad that multiple organizations have issued state of emergencies for trans people, from local trans organizations all the way up to the Human Rights Campaign. Trump is fucking horrible, Desantis is not a sliver better.

        His policies consist solely of demonizing minorities and instilling facism as much as possible, I encourage you to read more about it.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
          32·
          11 months ago

          Trump attacked our electoral process in order to overturn a democratic election. He lost the electoral and popular vote, and refused to acknowledge it.

          DeSantis signed some stupid bills, probably mostly to get his name out for a shot at a national election. He denounced the violence on Jan 6, but he played the political game by refusing to call it an insurrection. If Trump is convicted of insurrection/sedition, that looks bad for all Republicans, so it’s the right political play. If you look at his career as governor, it’s clear he’s playing the political game to get his name known (going so far as to endorse Trump relatively early), but he just doesn’t have that energy to show he would try anything close to what Trump tried in 2020.

          So while DeSantis’ policies generally suck, I don’t think he’s going to try to subvert democracy, he’ll try to work within the system like any other politician to get the positions he wants. So no, I don’t see DeSantis as a fascist, he’s just a social conservative. Trump, on the other hand, has shown fascist tendencies due to his massive narcissism. It’s personal for Trump, for DeSantis, it’s a job.

          • HandBreadedTools@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            Desantis is a goddamn psychopath dude. Trump is obviously not someone that should have any type of power but Desantis is literally no better. His policies are fucking insane, his personal ideology is fucking insane, the voters he encourages and the culture wars he wages are fucking insane. It’s not “just a job”, it’s the opportunity of power, something he seizes as much as possible. He is absolutely a fucking dictator if he gets the chance.

            He came to my college campus a couple months ago, he kicked off his q and a with a prayer asking god to kill trans people. I’m not even saying that as a euphemism, the motherfucker literally said “and we ask you to stop the prevalence of transgenders by force if you need to” during that opening prayer.

            Fucking insanity.

            • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
              1·
              11 months ago

              prayer asking god to kill trans people

              Is there any journalistic corroboration for that? This sounds like something a political opponent would jump at, yet I can’t find anything similar online.

              What I can point to is Trump literally trying to subvert our democratic processes by overturning the election results.

              So on the one hand, I have proof of an attempt to stay in power, and on the other I have someone with gross policies that seems to play by political rules. I’m much more worried about Trump than DeSantis.

  • Em Adespoton@lemmy.ca
    9·
    11 months ago

    So what serious contenders are there still for the primaries?

    And is Trump still considered a serious contender when there are entire states who definitely won’t have him on the final ballot?

    • SuperDuper@lemmy.world
      12·
      11 months ago

      It’s basically Nikki Haley vs Trump at this point. New Hampshire may be Haley’s best bet when it comes to beating Trump in any one state at this point. Polls had shown Trump being anywhere between 10-20 points ahead, although that was before desantis dropped out. If she can win there it’ll help her in other states down the line as people will see her as a more viable primary candidate.

      If Haley can’t build up some momentum and win a few states, it may not matter if Trump is disqualified from being on a few state ballots. He wouldn’t need them to win the primary and most of those states are almost certainly going to Biden either way, so it wouldn’t have much impact on the general.

    • survivalmachine@beehaw.org
      7·
      11 months ago

      Donald Trump and Nicki Haley. And Trump is not harmed in the least bit as long as he’s only left off blue state ballots. That has zero effect on his ability to win electoral votes.

    • cobra89@beehaw.org
      3·
      11 months ago

      Yes because Colorado was never going to go to Trump anyway. Maine splits their electoral votes but 1 or 2 electoral votes are very very unlikely to make a difference in the election. And that probably won’t matter anyway because SCOTUS will almost certainly rule to keep him on the ballot.

    • atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      11 months ago

      And is Trump still considered a serious contender when there are entire states who definitely won’t have him on the final ballot?

      He’s the only serious contender. sigh

    • 𝔇𝔦𝔬@lemy.lol
      47·
      11 months ago

      Those states, and counting, are forced to keep him on the ballot by the Supreme Court.

  • Stillhart@lemm.ee
    6·
    11 months ago

    It is beyond bizarre to me that we are discussing another election with Trump in it.

    • PowerCrazyEnglish
      416·
      11 months ago

      Why? Is there some law that he has broken and been convicted of breaking and thus officially disqualified from holding federal office? Are the democrats some kind of Amazing Pax Americana party that consistently and measurably increases the quality of life for the vast majority of Americans while also shunning foreign adventurism?

      Cause unless those things are true, then it seems quite expected that Trump would run again and have a similar amount of support as he did in 2020.

        • PowerCrazyEnglish
          38·
          11 months ago

          Oh, well then I guess I can just declare someone invalid to run for office under the 14th amendment and now it’s true?

      • Auzy@beehaw.org
        6·
        11 months ago

        Oh God. I thought I recognized your username. You were the guy defending Nazis here in Australia I responded to on another thread.

        Even sitting here in Australia it was obvious he was planning to overthrow the election months before it happened (I worked that out within 5 mins of seeing sky news at a customers house).

        The guy has broken many laws (he’s a rapist, tax cheat, etc).

        The fact he has any support and has managed to create a cult should be a reason why nobody supports him

        But sure, let’s hope he has similar support to 2020 because if he can’t get elected in the upcoming election, he’s going straight to jail. And when he gets prosecuted for being a traitor and breaching confidential information, hopefully he gets life imprisonment and isn’t eligible to run (he already shouldn’t be technically)

        • PowerCrazyEnglish
          14·
          11 months ago

          Yea I wasn’t defending nazis, but glad to see you are using the intent of that law correctly. That is to classify any criticism of the government as “defending nazis.”
          If Trump has “similar support” as in 2020 it’s going to be a landslide victory for him.

          • Auzy@beehaw.org
            2·
            11 months ago

            There are laws which technically make him ineligible to run: https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-14th-amendment-2024-colorado-79373b5043976588b599fc00ede049e8

            And, based on everything I’ve seen, the arguments are basically just Trump claiming he’s immune whilst president. So yeah… There was a law he broke, and he already got disqualified by 2 states. Don’t be surprised if he’s disqualified nationally.

            And yeah, you WERE defending nazi’s. You basically say I, as an aussie don’t “understand” the purpose of the legislation. Well, I understood it. There were literal Neo-Nazi’s congregating at rally’s. You’re literally the only one on the planet other than the neo nazi’s who interpreted it as anything other than stopping nazi rally’s. Shutting down Nazi salutes only silences nazi’s, unless you think there’s a valid usecase for a bunch of people doing nazi salutes? Fuck them, silence them I’d say. It was actually everyone else demanding they get banned honestly.