I don’t want to take away from people that are currently paying on their student loans, I think it’s great if they get their loans canceled, but I kind of wish that people that had paid off their loans previously could get some sort of one-time tax credit. I went out of my way to pay my loans off early because I genuinely don’t like having any sort of debt hanging over me, it would be nice to be rewarded for being responsible (although getting rid of debt is sort of its own reward).
However, this kind of gets into scope-creep because then where does it end? Would everybody ever that has ever had a student loan qualify for something like this, and I’m sure Biden is doing what is within his power to do on his own. Anything beyond that would require an act of Congress, and good luck getting Republicans to sign off on anything that helps regular people, or worse, people that [gasp!] went to college.
This is the rhetoric that keeps us from advancing economic health in this country. Congratulations, you paid off your debt. Be happy about it. How does this hurt you in any way? It doesn’t affect your financial situation in ANY way.
When you buy something and 2 weeks later it gets a price reduction, do you write a letter to the retailer and tell them you deserve a coupon for buying it before they put it on sale?
If I can be pedantic for a second, I have actually paid a small monthly fee to be able to do exactly what you describe, which is to be reimbursed for the difference in price by my credit card company. So yes, you really can do that.
Well I mean Target would honor that price reduction, but I see your point
It’s important to note that this isn’t some new blanket forgiveness. These are people who have been paying on their loans for 10 years. People who should’ve already been eligible for loan forgiveness under existing policies and who have already paid more than they took out in many cases.
Do you need to benefit from everything in life, or are you incapable of being happy for others? Quit being entitled.
Ppl are crazy for downvoting you. It’s not like you shit on people for not being able to pay, or said anything about not wanting others to get help. I think a one time tax credit would be a great idea to get more people behind the idea of at least a partial loan forgiveness for everyone.
This is why things don’t get done anymore. You offer a great potential middle ground solution and people just try to shit on it. You worked hard and paid off your debt and are bummed others might have theirs cancelled?? Well fuck you your feelings are invalid!!!
Maybe it wasn’t clear in the original comment, but I support canceling student debt, I just added a “nice-to-have” that could get more people on board with it. I was like, “I think it’s great if they get their loans canceled, but I wish…” and then I listed an idea, but that’s obviously not good enough because we have to accept it wholeheartedly and we can’t ever want nice things for ourselves. I was even giving reasons why my suggestion wouldn’t work and defending Biden, but yeah, I’m an asshole, whatever. I consider myself a liberal, but liberals have itchy trigger fingers when it comes to downvoting.
Not to mention, there’s no faster way to cause another inflation crisis than printing a bunch of money and giving it to the demographic that’s statistically the highest earners.
Lol, that’s not at all how this works.
It’s like peeing on a house fire…
Might make you feel like something is being done, but it’s not going to accomplish anything.
We’ll see tiny little gains like this trickle out till the election, then Biden will go back to ignoring it.
So sure, it’s better than doing literally nothing, but it’s not doing enough.
Were you paying attention the last several times he’s tried to do more and gotten blocked at every turn by people who can’t see past their own gains?
He’s not even being blocked by his own party this time.
Granted, they probably would have if he hadn’t waited until they didn’t have a majority.
They never really had majority with chinman and cinema
Excuses. Manchin and Sinema represented everything the party is about to absolute perfection.
What a narrow-minded and uninformed view.
They were the US’ second conservative party’s designated obstructionists, making sure that the ambitions the party pretends to have for votes were in no danger of coming to pass.
If the party ever moves to the left I’ll change my assessment. Until then, Manchin and Sinema are the party.
The initial 20k goal was 430bil forgiven, that the SC knocked down.
His admins “peeing on a house fire” has forgiven 136bil so far in small 5bil/10bil awards, and thats before this. The above doesnt even take into account the huge improvements the SAVE plan brings, like setting interest to 0% while you pay on your loan, doubling the minimum income before you have to pay for means adjusted borrowers so that way more people pay $0/month, and allowing anyone in default to get trued up instantly.
136 billion isn’t 430 billion, but its hugely, hugely more than any admin has ever forgiven student loans. Its disappointing it didnt reach the full scope, but its more than anyone has every done.
Man has pissed a lake onto a forest fire, but yall wanted him to piss a river into a volcano and he couldn’t get it done, so suddenly “he hasent done anything.”
Fuck all that.
This!
For Biden’s faults, what his team has done for borrowers has been great to the people who need it the most. Even in the face of the GOP trying to stop them at every turn.
That attitude of All or Nothing really pisses me off.
“Oh, you had a goal to lose 100 lbs in a year but only lost 80? You might as well have not tried to begin with, loser.”
Fucking stupid
You must not have read what’s actually in the plan they put through. It also includes dramatically lowered payments for low income earners, eliminated interest if you make your payments, broadens forgiveness rules etc. etc.
It’s mine boggling to me that Biden didn’t get more credit for this plan. One time paying off of loans is a dumb short term solution. Actually changing the rules to help current and future borrowers is so much more important. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/08/22/fact-sheet-the-biden-harris-administration-launches-the-save-plan-the-most-affordable-student-loan-repayment-plan-ever-to-lower-monthly-payments-for-millions-of-borrowers/
And this is what everyone was removed about when he was trying to do the one time cancellation. “Well that won’t solve the real problem!” And now he’s doing something to address that, and it apparently still isn’t good enough. It just shows why so many dissenters actually find it offensive, and that’s because it helps people.
Hopefully this doesn’t extend to people earning over a certain amount. I’m a relatively high income earner. I’d rather see up to 12 grand in relief go to folks who are earning under a threshold. Perhaps that’s literally in the article and if I read it, I would see that with my own eyes. But here we are!
Programs should be universal. Way easier (and less expensive) to implement that way. If we don’t want high earners getting benefits we can claw it back in taxes. I would rather a handful of millionaires get an extra benefit than have vulnerable people who need help fall through the cracks because of means testing.
I also think means-testing serves mostly to create resentment instead of a society that we are all bought into and able to reap the benefits of.
That’s definitely the goal. And especially for stuff like this, Jeff Bezos’ kids don’t need to take out loans to begin with. You’re just punishing kids from modest means that against all odds got that education and parlayed that into a higher paying jobs, and you’re going to hold them back compared to their peers from a wealthy background because they managed to break out of their class against all odds.
Never mind that they’re probably using that higher income to support their poorer parents/siblings and probably have some other debts and costs due to growing up not wealthy (stuff like having to pay rent instead of having property in the family).
Yeah, I hear you. You’ve all changed my mind, good points around!
Means testing: for when you want to stop aid from getting to those that need it, but still want rich people to get it by gaming the system.
This forgiveness is for people who have been paying on their loans for 10 years. I don’t think there are many people who:
- Took out under 12k
- Have been paying for 10 years
AND
- Make a lot of money
Why? Interest is a removed. If there are people who meet those three conditions, there probably aren’t many of them.
Honestly, the more I hear about the student loan crisis, the more I’m convinced that, if you’re going to go with the line that outright forgiveness is politically toxic, they should just set the interest rate to 0%. A lot of people are basically just stuck paying interest without even hitting the principal, and that’s the real problem.
This fixes a few issues:
- the longer you’ve had your loan, with inflation it’ll be a smaller part of your income (provided your income raises with inflation, which admittedly isn’t a given in the US)
- the conservative talking point of ‘you borrowed the money, so you need to pay it back’ is completely moot. Yes, you’re paying it back (unlike the business owners that took out PPP loans).
- the goal of those loans should be to fund your education, not for someone to make money off, and that would accomplish this.
- it’s still revenue neutral (minus the cost of administering, which really should just be done by government instead of outsourcing), even though MMT tells us that deficit spending for stuff like this would be totally fine.
Obviously the best solution is free education and universal loan forgiveness, but Democrats aren’t willing to do that.
