Russia ain’t leftist nor communist.
Yes, which is what makes it all the weirder than Western MLs still simp for them.
Why use a communist symbol? Why not use Russia’s actual flag? The entire thread feels like a bad fed joke.
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You realize it’s literally using the hammer and sickle and is further contributing to anti-communist and pro-fascist and capitalist sentiment right?
This is such a braindead post it’s hilarious lmao
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… because the point is pointing out that it’s insane that some Western self-proclaimed leftists are supporting an imperialist war, not that it’s insane that Russia and the GOP are both fascist (which anyone with a hint of sense already knew)?
Bro, kbin is an actual shit show haha.
But I see now that you moderate “Ukraine,” so the original picture checks out.
You (either intentionally to mislead, or ignorantly) must likely think NATO is actually helping in Ukraine instead of fucking up grain-futures for hedge funds (and letting BlackRock “rebuild” when the meat grinder stops).
Have fun, fascist.
Head empty. No thoughts. Must blindly insult anyone who dares not support the US or its allies
Though ig Ukraine isn’t much of a US ally anymore since they’re moving funding over to Israel’s genocide
USA could end your war tomorrow if they wanted to you dork. I’ll have fun watching your country implode on itself mr fed
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Yeah, when you stop people from genociding their neighbors they develop a grudge.
It’s just good old fashioned American diabolism.
Believe it or not, while there’s many bad things the US is and does, other factions are capable of being and doing worse. Maybe look at a situation on its merits rather than having "America bad“ as your single political principle.
Fuck socialism if it leads to outcomes like the USSR or DPRK - but that’s the thing it doesn’t have to be, and those definitionally aren’t socialism.
You used the word “socialism” when the OP has a commie flag of a dead nation on it. What exactly is the point of the meme? I just don’t get it.
Tankies are idiots that think the likes of the USSR are socialist/communist, and are definitionally wrong.
Because of their authoritarian leanings (and myopic focus on American diabolism), tankies frequently agree with other authoritarians like the GOP.
Russia is an authoritarian, autocratic regime conducting an attempted annexation, and due to their ideological alignment, both tankies and the GOP tend to support this annexation.
Communism is a form of socialism, but that’s not relevant here, because neither term is applicable to any party under discussion.
Does that clarify things for you?
I’m not at all involved in this convo, nor am I a tankie, but I do think it’s important to recognize that the USSR was in fact Socialist, even if it had numerous flaws. It’s useful for both MLs and non-MLs to learn from, I personally am not an ML and would not want to recreate the USSR, but I do form part of my views on what I want from a future Socialist society based on what happened with the USSR.
As an example, I don’t think the structure of a Soviet Republic is sound in and of itself, as it disregards the masses the farther up the chain you go. I’m more in favor of a more decentralized approach.
Yeah - that’s fair, and a mistake on my part - they were socialist, but not communist (lack of worker enfranchisement among other gaps).
I think the main issue with the USSR (and probably the majority of “communist” countries) was the failure to put in the pre-work. Without levelling the economic imbalances and setting up a strong welfare state ahead of time, they created imbalanced economic conditions, which were functionally imbalances in political power that led to a collapse into an authoritarian oligarchy - exacerbated by the challenge of trying to retool the economy overnight to keep people fed.
Plenty to learn from, not much to emulate.
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They’re arguing in bad faith. Ignore them.
because neither term is applicable to any party under discussion. Yet both of you keep using both terms throughout this post.
YOU are the ones conflating the 2, and somehow even might believe Russia isn’t the 2nd most popular Capitalist hellscape for war crimes.
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Do I want them to take Ukraine? Nah.
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Does the United States/NATO actually care if Ukraine loses? Nah
Ask the 80k USA troops on China’s border if they’ve even heard of Ukraine ;)
because neither term is applicable to any party under discussion. Yet both of you keep using both terms throughout this post.
Why are you misquoting me in response to someone else? Please by all means point to the communism (or socialism for that matter) here. It’s certainly not coming from the tankies, nazbols or USSR in anything other than name.
YOU are the ones conflating the 2
One is a subset of the other, and both are equally irrelevant unless you’ve pointed to the communism/socialism as requested.
YOU (…) somehow even might believe Russia isn’t the 2nd most popular Capitalist hellscape for war crimes.
Of what relevance is this beyond confirming my point about American diabolism?
Ask the 80k USA troops on China’s border if they’ve even heard of Ukraine ;)
lmao
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Russia’s flag isn’t in this post.
To follow up on that, Russia isn’t even a socialist nation.
What are you even talking about? WHERE did socialism come from?
Where am I “siding” with Russia by asking questions about the USSR? @FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works
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This one struck some nerves lmao. I don’t expect much from the people who think the full strength of NATO is fighting in Ukraine. Poland alone would march to Moscow in a month
Well after 2 years of such stupid losses, any army would do that in a week. Proved by prigozhin.
Why Poland specifically? Not an expert on (international) politics
Biggest army in western Europe. Also they hate Russian imperialism with a passion if I’m not mistaken
And they’ve built up quite a formidable army in recent years. But then again, even Andorra could march straight to Moscow these days.
Ty
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“nazbol” is the term
Republicans are fighting in Ukraine? Defending against the Russians, who, in this meme appear to be implied as the invading orcs?
Kind of an odd take. Meme doesn’t really make much sense. Wouldn’t Theoden and Grima have been a better LotR meme template?
Wtf is USSR in here for?
Meme from the cold war?
Implying that Russia are commies? Please tell me it isn’t this one.
You made 3 comments about how the flag of the USSR is in this meme. But it… isn’t. I suggest you look up how it actually looks like.
This entire thread is a dumpster fire, enjoy your MLK day buddy-boy ;)
Your account is the dumpster fire, matey ;)
So what does OPs picture mean to you then? Could you explain it frame/by/frame for me?
It’s not the USSR? Who tf is this referencing?
Top frame - Soviet iconography represents MLs and like tankies who glorify the USSR.
Middle frame - Elephant represents the Republican Party and like fascists who bootlick for Putin’s imperialist war.
Bottom frame - Nazbol flag represents tankies going mask off and embracing the fact that they’re fascists painted red.
Nah, implying that MLs and like authoritarian ‘leftists’ are aligned with right-wing fascists in supporting the invasion and genocide in Ukraine.
Why not use Russia’s flag then?..
Because Russia isn’t ML or even nominally leftist? And this meme is addressing self-proclaimed leftists who bootlick for genocide and imperialism?
Bro, kbin is an actual shit show haha.
But I see now that you moderate “Ukraine,” so the original picture checks out.
You (either intentionally to mislead, or ignorantly) must likely think NATO is actually helping in Ukraine instead of fucking up grain-futures for hedge funds (and letting BlackRock “rebuild” when the meat grinder stops).
Horse shoe theory moment
Perfection.
Is this supposed to be insulting? Lol.
I mean, to Nazbols, probably not. To everyone else, yes.
I also don’t understand the point of the picture. The USSR isn’t even around any more.
Is the context w/ Cold War Republicans?
