I don’t understand, there is no proof of genocide in Israel but YEARS of evidence against China and Russia. Can anyone explain this to me?
ICJ case against Israel is I think a way for countries whose voices are being vetoed to be heard.
Russia is being called out for genocide all over the world. There is a warrant out for putin’s arrest for that crime.
China is also being panned the same way.
Israel meanwhile is drowning the cries of genocide by calling any mention of it as Anti Semitic speech.
West in my opinion should grow out of their shame about what they did to Jewish people. And start calling out them for the horrors Jewish people are doing.
West in my opinion should grow out of their shame about what they did to Jewish people. And start calling out them for the horrors Jewish people are doing.
Mild disagree. What needs to happen is that the shame has to be about what was done instead of who it was done to.
Israel is bullying the west using that shame to get to do what the west does. West let’s it continue more because of greed hiding behind the shame.
West has done far worse to Africa and other parts of Asia. It just feels less shameful about it since there is less profit there.
i’m a grumpy old troll … who lives under a bridge
I just read news about the case against Isreal, clearly Russia and China have done much worse for much longer hence my question.
Upsetting russia was seen as bad plan when trying to normalise relations with them and the rest of Europe (Pre Crimea) The idea was to intertwine economies so that was would never be feasible.
World is dependent on China for manufacturing
When the punishment for countries is economic (As no one would dare go to war with a Nuclear power) and you depend on their economy you don’t need have much to gain do you? Just ruins everything. You could go for specific people I guess but their countries will just ignore it.
Israel is/pretends to be normal with most of the world. So will probably actually do stuff if they lose.
Then the obvious. It’s all political theatre and no one actually cares about genocide.
After Russia started the invasion and started stealing children they were already isolated economically so why not bring the court case? They have an arrest warrant out for Putin but that appears different than the claim of “genocide” in regards to Israel.
China did not do anything after the UN report on Xinjiang came out, and many countries have already passed resolutions declaring the detention and sterilization of Uyghurs as genocide, but the ICC didn’t hear a case.
Russia doesn’t recognise the court
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1424ao/countries_where_the_international_criminal_court/
They aren’t a member and so won’t show up. So you would have to try them in absence and then even if someone is found guilty what next? Same issue as above. You’ve already done the punishment (Sanctions).
Anything else would just be Political Posturing (Same as the warrant for Putin)
An international declaration of genocide is not only important to respect the brave soldiers of Ukraine but to show Russia that it can’t be a bully. How can it be fair that a country formed after surviving a genocide can be formally accused of genocide in a international court ?
I think most countries that support Ukrainian have already said as much. China and Russia will vote down anything in the UN as two permanent members of the security council.
Because after surviving the Holocaust the state of Israel was formed by expulsion of natives, colonialism, war and, possibly, genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight
I would recommend starting with the history of Israel from the First World War and going chronologically. It is a messy conflict with stupid numbers of massacres and atrocities by the PLO, Israeli government and both of their predecessors.
Long story short though. Israel and the PLO have, with certainty, committed various “war crimes” in the past. As Israel won the war(s) the loser of those wars can very easily claim Genocide. If it was the other way around with the PLO winning the wars then we would see the reverse right now.
Accusing someone/a country of a crime does not mean they did it. Being a victim in the past (Holocaust) does not mean that they are immune to criticism/criminal proceeding for future actions.
China and Russia are permanent members of the security council
What does that have to do with the International Court of Justice, isn’t that a separate from the security council?
Its a reflection of the political realities that govern that level of international politics.
Are members of the security council able to veto a case? France, U.K, U.S.A, are all members too and support Israel how can they allow this to happen
it’s not about the rules as written, its about the power politics and the relationships countries wish to maintain / develop.
