• alcoholicorn
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    I don’t see the dems using abortion to bring out votes if it’s not a referendum.

    Given that they let this happen by not codifying roe and let it continue to happen by not taking effective action such as cutting off states funding that ban abortion or requiring military hospitals provide abortion care, they cannot credibly say they will protect abortion.

    That would change if we saw them using every tool at their disposal, but we don’t.

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      Then you haven’t been paying attention. Republicans are on track to lose their house majority before the election even occurs, because the special elections are being won in red states by Democrats campaigning on abortion rights.

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      Given that they let this happen

      The bad thing isn’t caused by the one doing bad things, it’s by others not doing enough to stop them. Interesting way to argue and to ignore responsibility.

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        The argument that the dems are making is “vote for me and I’ll protect abortion rights”.

        We voted for them, they didn’t protect abortion rights.

        But also, choosing not to stop something bad from happening makes you complicit.

        This isn’t an argument that pro-choice voters should vote for republicans, this is an argument that the dems need to do something if they want pro-choice people to vote for them.

        Same thing with the genocide in Palestine; Dems cannot run as the anti-genocide party while supplying the tools to carry out the genocide. If they stopped sending weapons to Israel and used every tool at their disposal to protect abortion rights, then they could credibly say “vote for us, we’ll protect abortion rights and stop Israel”.

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      Putting abortion rights in as a federal law isn’t stronger than having it as a constitutionally protected right. There are multiple times when the republicans held both chambers to the degree that they could have passed a law that counteracted an abortion rights law. They couldn’t do so because the right was found to be constitutionally protected.

      The strongest protection would have been to have the constitutional protection on the broad right and then federal laws establishing individual guidelines ensuring that there wasn’t variability between the states. But simply having a federal law wouldn’t have ensured abortion rights - anything passed by one Congress can be undone by the next.

      The mistake was not voting for Hillary in 2016. Anyone who did not vote for her was implicitly saying they don’t care if abortion rights are taken away. I was (and am) a Bernie supporter, and I have been since before he hit the Senate. I still voted for her, even though I’m in one of the bluest districts in a blue state.

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        You have learned nothing from 2016.

        The big mistake was Hillary running a dogshit campaign of “America is already great” and not offering enough to make it worth missing a day’s pay to go out and vote. It’s not the voter’s duty to vote democrat, it’s the democrat’s job to get elected.

        If you’re talking about the courts, the dems could have packed them. If people saw them fighting and actually affecting their material conditions, the dems wouldn’t have lost in 2022.