FAQ

Q: why not organize and stop treating the bus as a legitimate entity? why aren’t you working to stop the bus?

A: do both. cut the fuel line. break windows. put oatmeal in the gas tank. but maybe your efforts don’t succeed this election cycle. and if so don’t fucking throw away your vote if it can help your neighbors fucking survive. “harm reduction” is not a political strategy for action. it is a last minute, end of the line decision to save lives, after all other resources have been exhausted.

        • zea@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          61·
          9 months ago

          I’m doing the moral calculations. Fuck Biden, but fuck Trump more. If I vote for Biden, millions suffer. If I vote for Trump (or waste my vote so he wins), even more suffer. Doesn’t take too much evaluating to pick being slapped in the face vs bring punched in the face.

          I absolutely support the undecided campaign in the primaries to put pressure on Biden, but putting pressure on him and the DNC by letting Trump be in charge for another 4 years is a terrible idea. Even without Trump in office the GOP is quickly eroding even the semblance of democracy we’ve had for a while, but with 4 years of Trump accelerating that I think this would be the last time my vote even slightly matters. Then I’d also need to evacuate from the country because I’m trans and don’t want them ruining my life. I’m voting for Biden in the general to avoid that, and then afterwards I guess I have to figure out what I can even do about the still-evolving bad situation that I helped successfully slow.

          If reducing suffering and not letting an impossible perfect be the enemy of the better is amoral, I don’t understand your definition of moral. I’m a utilitarian if you couldn’t tell.

          • HACKthePRISONS@kolektiva.social
            3·
            9 months ago

            > I’m a utilitarian if you couldn’t tell.

            oh my. how do you deal with the fact that the future is unknowable, so the morality of all actions is also unknowable?

              • HACKthePRISONS@kolektiva.social
                3·
                9 months ago

                to be clear, you acknowledge that you can’t know which actions are moral under your system, but you still rely on it to make moral actions?

                • zea@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                  2·
                  9 months ago

                  There’s always uncertainty, yes. I suppose other moral systems claim they’re infallible but those people are just kidding themselves.

                  • HACKthePRISONS@kolektiva.social
                    5·
                    9 months ago

                    a deontological system places the morality in the action itself, so you know before you do it whether its the right thing to do. ontological systems change the morality of the action depending on the results in the future.

                    what if we need trump to be elected in order to escape earth before the sun goes nova? it’s an unknowable proposition, but are you willing to risk all of humanity on voting for biden?

    • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee
      12·
      9 months ago

      I see what instance you’re from so I’m sure you’ve heard this question and thought of some way to dismiss it, but-

      Fine, you don’t vote for Joe. Trump wins by an extremely narrow margin. Ukraine is abandoned, Palestine is turned into a parking lot even moreso than it already is. Because that is what will happen. How is that a better outcome?