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  • hydroxide
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    3 months ago

    You’re throwing around fascism to describe supposedly describe Marxist Leninism which makes no sense. Calling far left movements fascist erases historic meaning from the word.

    Which genocide does he deny?

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      3 months ago

      No, he made a pro Stalinist video that uses points that fit into fascist (non-Stalinist) ideologies. Plenty of the things he says could be used as arguments by a neo-Nazi today. And he explicitly went out of his way to not criticize the Nazi implementation of his arguments, which makes it all the more suspicious.

      And how many genocides have been denied on the podcast, that you need me to tell you which one is bad?

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        3 months ago

        No seriously I can’t tell if you’re going to say Holodomor which is contentious amongst historians who specialize on the topic or the Uyghur ‘genocide’ that apparently no proof seems to ever materialize.

        Hakim, JT, and Yugopnik aren’t by any means Stalinist, they’re realists who examine material conditions of the Soviet Union, then dispel propaganda and criticize the weaknesses in Soviet policy. Just because they aren’t reactionaries who dont challenge cold war propaganda doesn’t mean they uncritically idolize.

        And what do you mean? Nazi policies of what? They are diametrically opposed on fiscal, social, and government structure. You cannot say it fits into ‘Nazi’ rhetoric without giving an example. I can’t engage with unfalsifiable claims.

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          3 months ago

          Holodomor… or the Uyghur ‘genocide’

          Neither. One you don’t have your Naziesque talking points for.

          All genocide deniers talk the same way Nazis do about Jews, BTW. Ever noticed?

          Hakim, JT, and Yugopnik aren’t by any means Stalinist

          MLism is Stalinism. Stalin’s the strongman revisionist who created MLism. They are one and the same.

          I can’t engage with unfalsifiable claims

          We can talk about the whataboutism and pro-Nazism dripping from JT Chapman’s other videos afterwards

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            What? Uyghurs have a rich and important culture, one that needs to be preserved and fostered. The CPC has clearly stated that the idea is to assimilate them to a Chinese national identity. It needs to be addressed and critique is warranted. You can even make an argument that an ethnic cleansing has and is occuring. You cannot, however, throw out accusations of genocide when there is no proof. Sorry, you need evidence for genocide. Or at the very least learn what a genocide is because you are clearly confused.

            See: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cz9ICFDk8Js

            The fact you compare me to a Nazi is just disgusting. Do better.

            MLism does not mean stalinism. Lenin is not Stalin. Lenin wrote works that influenced South American, Central American, Eastern Asian, and Pan-African movements that have overthrown fascist regimes. The fact that you lump together every Marxist Leninist together to Stalin, when the movement is diverse, global, and employed differently everywhere is ludicrous. Its the most black and white thinking imaginable. You have never read Lenin or looked into communist movements inspired by him if you lump all of ML into Stalin.

            Again, you refuse to engage with actual words.

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              3 months ago

              What? Uyghurs…

              Like I said before, the gang of podcasters was talking about a different genocide.

              “You refuse to engage with actual words” and defaulted to spamming talking points.

              The fact you compare me to a Nazi is just disgusting.

              I compared genocide deniers to Nazis. Didn’t realize you’d feel attacked

              MLism does not mean stalinism. Lenin is not Stalin.

              Lenin didn’t create MLism. Stalin did. You know that, right?

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                3 months ago

                Please refer to this if you want to understand the differences, in brief, between stalinism and Marxism Leninism. https://www.reddit.com/r/Socialism_101/comments/q6cmpu/comment/hgbo08x/

                Political ideology is not stagnant and is does not exist in a bubble.

                You compared me to a genocide denier, called me a Nazi, speak in riddles without engaging, and deflect every time you are asked a question. You genuinely disgust me now so I’m just going to ignore you at this point.

                (All because JT renounces liberals, which is too much to bear for you.)

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                  3 months ago

                  I like how your link could be boiled down to “MLists fixed Stalinist MLism by removing the Stalin cult of personality…” And lists other Strong Man leaders who have their names in the new ideology. Funny how people like Maupin have cults of personality isn’t it?

                  In his pro authoritarianism video, what is the best argument JT Chapman gives that can’t be repurposed by authoritarian fascists?