I am intersted in some of their communities and i don’t want to create duplicates. Not a fan of duplicates for niche comms especially.

I didn’t have the impression that they were all that problematic when the defederation happened either, but i may have missed something of course.

  • redrumEnglish
    62·
    5 months ago

    I’m also interested in re-federating with Lemmygrad, speaking for my bot account, roig@lemmy.world, and the Lemmy.world community I moderate.

    I can’t understand the lemmy.world admins position on Lemmygrad, Hexbear and Threads/Meta. Lemmy.world has defederated with the first two, but has stated that he wants to stay federated with Meta.

    Meta has exploited people’s posts to incite genocide [1] and has been ignoring internal concerns about suicide risks for its users [2] [3] incentivized by its engagement algorithms. Meta’s greed is more important to Meta than the health of its users, which is a structural and moral problem, at least to me. And let Meta use the posts of lemmy.world users for their greed, or to incite more genocides, or to try to destroy the sanity of more users, or… it makes me sick.

    But with Lemmygrand and Hexbear, it’s only a philosophical or ideological issue between users and, at worst, a style or behavior concern. In any case, it can be easily moderated.

    1. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ ↩︎

    2. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-facebook-files-11631713039 ↩︎

    3. https://eu.northjersey.com/story/opinion/2023/11/03/meta-lawsuit-attorney-generals-pursue-social-media-accountability/71410913007/ ↩︎

    • Rooki@lemmy.world
      4·
      5 months ago

      Easily moderated. You think moderation is fun? In like “Hahaha i got another 30 reports of that dude”. No, its better not to have the need for moderation. We see some communities are just overwhelmed with reports, and then additionally hexbear and lemmygrad, gotta have 50 mods at the end of the year in some communities.

      We tried with hexbear, didnt worked out.

      If the same happens with Meta, then they are out too.

      • C4RC0S4@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        21·
        5 months ago

        Don’t lie, you didn’t try anything with hexbear.

        Lemmy.world: “Defederation should only be considered as a last resort … We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear”

        Hilarious, after you hand-wrung about defederating exploding heads while they DM harassed your moderators and posted clearly racist/homophobic/transphobic/etc. posts and comments.

        How is the evidence even remotely comparable?

        Overall community comments:

        • Rooki@lemmy.world
          2·
          5 months ago

          We save on hexbear, even before federation a call out for total war with other instances. This was their try.

          we are sorry that we didnt defederated exploding heads fast enough for your taste. We thought on that case that we could try it out. It was our testing ground, but didnt worked out, so we were glad to defederated with the other instance. And saw that there were just almost double the reports in that period.

          • C4RC0S4@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            2·
            5 months ago

            The “proof” in the hexbear defederation post has nothing to do with a “call out for total war with other instances” but nice try again with the lies. The comments show that hexbear believes it has an ideological duty to engage in discussion on any current event, post of politics, or news post. The post links states clearly that “breaking the hexbear code of conduct on another instance will result in a ban on hexbear” I’ve compared the lemmy.world terms of service and the hexbear one and can’t find any difference so how exactly is hexbear telling its users to engage in other instances posts while respecting their code of conduct something deserving of “preemptive defederation”

            I accept your apology, Antik made the same one. It is clear that lemmy.world had no desire to have a dedicated leftist community federated, which is fine, just say that you are defederated for ideological/political differences. If you want to create the neoliberal instance, more power to you, but to say anything otherwise requires actual proof rather than vague claims.

            So you can try out a well-known instance of fascist trolls that frequently used slurs as well as made posts explicitly describing what instance to sign up on, and what posts to target with copy/paste, slur-ridden messages? However, an instance that wants to engage in sourced discussion of current events receives a “last resort, preemptive defederation” this massive disparity in response shows that the admins of lemmy.world are willing to give hateful nazi instances a chance, but won’t even let a leftist instance in the door.

            Double the reports of what?? There could not have been any user reports of hexbear posts/comments as IT NEVER EVEN FEDERATED with lemmy.world. You won’t even remove @FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone communities from lemmy.world

              • STCL8834@lemm.ee
                2·
                5 months ago

                Why were they even restored in the first place? Like the first time I asked for them to be removed someone in charge asked for them to be restored? Like why? Was it out of spite? miscommunication? Why was it so badly desired to have some tiny random communities of a banned user on Lemmy.world? I really want to know the reason behind this, so I can be sure it doesn’t happen again and I can just be done with this shit, once and for all, I’m tired of it.

                (Mention my original account when replying)