hey everyone. if you want to post links or discuss the Reddit blackout, its aftermath, and what’s happening going forward, please localize it to this thread in order to keep things tidy! thanks! we’ll see if we need to cycle the thread again before the end of this week, but i don’t know that we’ll need to
The people who refuse to learn something new and stay on reddit, like the people who jumped ship from Twitter to BlueSky instead of Mastodon, are exactly the kind of dim-bulbs the corporate suite want. They’re more concerned with usability than freedom from corporate influence. They’re more than happy to lose general autonomy and have corporations dictating how they interact with the world because, and let me emphasize this, they are too fucking lazy and pathetic to learn to do anything on their own. They are god damned babies looking for someone to hold their hand through life.
Boo Boo Bear speaking truth to power.
One could say that the people supporting mastodon with rhetoric like yours are too fucking lazy and pathetic to bother building a system with good UX. The choice is not in fact, “freedom” or “usability.” It’s very easy to have both, but mastodon supporters don’t seem to care. You are not owed anything, and no most people will not bother with some janky software.
If you want to change the world on a lager scale, do better, don’t blame others.
Nah. There’s an old maxim that states if you make something idiot-proof, they’ll just come out with a dumber idiot. The hell with them. Let’s build something smart. If they want in, they can smarten up.
-Douglas Adams
Make up your mind. You’re not owed a “good UX” from people who do this for you for free. Sorry you need hand holding to figure this shit out.
The opposite of “not interested in your jank software” is not “thinking they are owed improved software.” It’s called using alternatives, or even not using anything at all. Honestly aggressive insulting attitudes like yours are one of the big reasons I personally have no interest in mastodon.
I sure hope kbin/lemmy is not overrun with the arrogant tech bro vibe. It’s gross.
No, really, I want to know how lost you are here.
I’m posting from Lemmy to a Beehaw thread, that just happened to mention Mastodon… This thread isn’t directly on Mastodon. People leaving for BlueSky over Mastodon is just a reference point.
Making the choice that “usability matters” means you’re willing to shack up with Jack Dorsey and his horrible politics over a community.
You don’t even know what a fucking techbro is. Steve Huffman, the goober who ran half us off of reddit, is a techbro. Jack Dorsey is a techbro. Palmer Luckey is a techbro. Elon Musk is a techbro. Wallstreetbets traders are techbros. Someone who only got into tech for money. I’m not sure if you’ve been paying attention but the people who are producing Free Open Source Software like Lemmy, Kbin, and Mastodon aren’t in it to make money and are in it to create communities.
How is it insulting to say that the people who, once again are creating the place you are posting as a free service and not seeing remuneration, don’t owe it to anyone to spend their lives on usability when they are primarily a programmer and not user interface specialist? Like you yourself said, they don’t actually owe you that.
Further, how is it insulting to say that people who don’t want to learn something because it isn’t immediately easy to use are lazy or unwilling to learn? Do you have any idea how many corporate pieces of shitty software with bad UI and usability I have been forced to and learned to use in my lifetime? Way too fucking many, and these are pieces of software private companies pay a fucking mint for. Yet somehow, each time, I was willing to learn how to use them, despite disliking them or thinking they could be done better. Not once did I think that the best course of action would be just not learn it and tell my boss the UX was terrible and they needed to do better.
I really think you need to lower your expectations from admins programming a free piece of software in their spare time and paying for server costs with donations. Also, seriously, figure out what a “techbro” is, it’s not the people giving you free shit with no ads who have decided not to enshittify their services to get more money while fucking over users. It’s also definitely not the people who want you to elevate yourself and learn something for the sake of learning it, instead expecting people (who. are. not. paid.) to make it easier for you, because you can’t be arsed.
Find a map, because you’re lost.
There are some extremely excellent Mastodon clients already and web signups have been dumbed down significantly while still offering options. There is no point to be had here.
Yup, that’s honestly the history of the world — people giving their autonomy and independence and concern for what’s really going on in the world away to authorities in exchange for ease, comfort, convenience and habit, then being surprised when those authorities turn around and begin taking advantage of them. It’s the eternal struggle against apathy.
Well said. Bravo! I could not have said that better myself. I’m sorry to say you just described my mom. She’s a google addict who always tells me that she’d rather have usability over privacy. She actually told me once that “she doesn’t need privacy because she’s got nothing to hide.”
She signs up to hundreds of services with the same gmail and decades old password, I try to get her to use Tutanota or Proton or any number of password managers out there but she’s technologically illiterate and says it’s too complicated. I looked her up on Have I Been Pwned? and she had 17 data breaches on her account and 23 on an old one.
It’s so frustrating, she was willing to put her entire digital identity into the hands of corporations that time after time abuse and sell that data or in her case leak info in data breaches all because she’s to lazy to learn to randomize handles and use a password manager. I understand what you’re talking about man because I live with one and it frustrates me.
You reminded me a song ‘a like supreme’ from cyberpunk 2077.
I’m happy to be here, and it’s mind-blowing to me that i can post from mastodon and see post on other website.
I think if we show people how great this fediverse is then maybe they will switch.
Have a nice day!