Been seeing a lot about how the government passes shitty laws, lot of mass shootings and expensive asf health care. I come from a developing nation and we were always told how America is great and whatnot. Are all states is America bad ?

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    1 year ago

    This is very chauvinistic.

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        1 year ago

        You gave an opinion that can’t really be called “correct” or “incorrect.” It’s just chauvinistic.

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            What a condescending, bratty thing to say. You don’t have to belittle people just because you disagree with them. You can have respectful, mature conversation :)

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              I understand you’re coming from a good place, but I disagree. Someone who says stupid and arrogant things should be made fun of. Me included! I don’t like being made fun of, but it sure helps me learn.

              To paraphrase Asimov, his ignorance is NOT worth just as much as my knowledge.

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          Ah, what a great example of a thought terminating cliche, a statement that does what it says to save you from cognitive dissonance and nuance. You are clearly using chauvinistic as a pejorative, so you need to either justify how they’re wrong or take it back and stop muddying the waters with your empty ideological language.

          To be clear, I don’t necessarily agree with op’s statement. The US as a developed nation clearly has more opportunities and advantages than developing nations, but there are other developed nations that meet and sometimes beat the advantages the US brings. I’d argue the US is at least in top 3 of being the most successful nation in diversity and global influence, but other nations have better welfare programs, housing policy, and cultural aspects imo.

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            You’re reading very far into my use of a word. I used it because its meaning is very applicable here. It’s not “empty ideological language.” It means something similar to “patriotic,” though I didn’t use that word because for some reason in the US patriotism is considered to be a good thing.

            This user seems to think the US superior to all other countries. The word’s definition certainly seems to apply:

            Militant devotion to and glorification of one’s country; fanatical patriotism.
            Prejudiced belief in the superiority of one’s own gender, group, or kind.

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              I agree you used chauvinistic to mean that, but you then followed it up by saying that you didn’t have to justify why what they said is wrong. You do. It’s also not the case that what they said was definitionally chauvinistic, although I’ll let that slide because it was something similar enough.

              Suppose it was the case that one nation was in every way better than all other countries. Shouldn’t the citizens of that country be proud of that? Beyond pride, shouldn’t they do everything they can to spread their glorious system to the world and bring prosperity to all? That doesn’t necessarily mean wars and colonialism, that simply means all soft power efforts to implement systems that show themselves to work. I think the answer to this hypothetical is this nations citizens should feel pride and should spread their system.

              The key point here is the United States isn’t better than every country in the world, thus Americans shouldn’t feel such extreme pride about their country. However, the United States is pretty good. I think some form of pride / patriotism are justified for Americans and even forms of soft power to implement effective policies are justified, but this answer is impossible to reach when you throw out all feel good thoughts about nations as chauvinistic.

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                Short memory, you said:

                The USA, for all its faults, remains the standard against which other countries measure themselves (and find themselves lacking).

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          That’s a cop-out. You’ve accused me of being a chauvinist. Either you have a reason for that or you don’t.

          If you do, spill it.

          If you don’t, then you’re just hurling insults.

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            The USA, for all its faults, remains the standard against which other countries measure themselves (and find themselves lacking).

            This statement - do you not see how that’s an incredibly arrogant and patronising thing to assert?

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                “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence” (Hitchen’s razor), you made the claim.

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                You’re incorrectly assuming that something has to be incorrect to be chauvinistic.

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                  Chauvinism is defined as “excessive or prejudiced support for their own cause or group”. Excess and prejudice are incorrect bases for an opinion.

                  And if I’m not wrong, then what is your objection?

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                    I am not going to debate over semantics with you.