• Jerkface
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    1 year ago

    What are some examples of manipulation from the Democratic party that you are equating here?

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      Their entire platform is, “at least I’m not him” they don’t do anything to combat it because they benefit from them. I believe that the Hillary campaign even secretly helped promote Trump early on because they thought it would be an easy win.

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        I think this is a more cynical view than can be supported by facts in evidence. For sure, in Ye Olden Days when the parties weren’t actually all that far apart, there was some level of building up a bogeyman to get out the base while everybody was friendly behind closed doors. But especially in the era of Trump, I think most congressional Democrats (leftwards of Machin and Sinema, at least) are genuinely afraid of what a second Trump turn would mean for the country, not least because it would likely mean a practical end to democratic processes at the federal level. Hard to benefit from the bogeyman when the bogeyman has made your presence in politics impossible-to-illegal.

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          And yet 2.5 years into this administration what has been accomplished? These people are too old to care. Biden was always a conservative, even during his campaign he said he would never support public healthcare. It’s almost like they are doing nothing on purpose.

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            Because, frustratingly, Biden isn’t the sort of LBJ-esque power player who can haul miserable DINOs like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema into the Oval Office to threaten them with political death unless they fall into line with his agenda. The fact of the matter is that just like in Obama’s first term, Democrats really only had control of Congress for two years, and by a margin so slim that they needed unanimity to actually advance rules changes in the Senate, let alone legislation. That meant that Biden’s entire agenda was bottlenecked by two of the most worthless assholes in the whole party, people who are definitely guilty of the short-sighted political gamesmanship that you want to ascribe to the entire party. Their obstructionism meant that, because of Senate rules, there’s only one chance or year to pass major legislation, and even then it has to ostensibly be budget-related.

            Despite all that, Biden and the rest of the Democrats did manage to get major legislation on climate enacted, in the form of the Inflation Reduction Act. Was it the whole Green New Deal? No, Manchin the coal baron wasn’t going to vote for that. But it’s still major change in a positive direction. Your frustration that there hasn’t been more is misdirected at the party generally, when it should be aimed at two senators in particular – and the solution to that is not to throw up your hands and declare “both sides are the same!” It’s to get out the vote for more progressive legislators to make those assholes politically irrelevant.

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      There’s things around LGBTQ+ support that are more opportunistic than actually caring, there’s things around environmental support that get said but not acted upon, there’s things around taxes and medical coverage that also get said but don’t actually happen.

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        Yeah, I hear you. Lots of things get said, but little gets done-- I can’t argue with that. But I’m looking for concrete examples because most of the goals and results people are expecting, from my perspective, are things that only get accomplished through legislation. Democrats have recently been focusing on voting rights. A solid voting rights bill would be a solid step toward tackling the issues you mentioned, but in June the most recent bill was voted against by all 50 Republican senators.

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      Debbie Wasserman-Schultz still exists and is a Democrat. And I think another thing people have issue with. Is that while it’s understandable that Sinema and Manchin exist and are horrible. Democrats seem to most often use that as an excuse to not even try. Republicans try and thankfully often fail to do horrible things. But they try. It’s one thing to say you support X. It’s another to be seen trying to support it. Democrats talk the talk, but most can’t walk.