• will_a113
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    6 hours ago

    Oxfam’s research shows that the richest 1% —comprising 77 million individuals, including billionaires, millionaires, and those earning over $140,000 per year in PPP terms— were responsible for 15.9% of global CO2 emissions in 2019. The bottom 50% (3.9 billion people with an average annual income of $2,000 in PPP terms) accounted for 7.7%

    Billionaires and the other 0.01% (not 1%) account for a ludicrously outsized amount of Carbon spend. However the Oxfam research really calls out how outsized even a much Carbon even a much more modest American lifestyle is. $140k/year is a lot even in the US, but still well within what many would call “normal”, especially in pricier areas. We spend a lot of time attacking billionaires for their lifestyles (and don’t get me wrong – fuck them all), but the problem is a lot larger than that.

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      4 hours ago

      My counter is they are the ones preventing any major changes at the political level. Climate change doesn’t impact the wealthy and powerful.

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        Don’t discount the impact of middle- to upper-class NIMBYs preventing political changes locally. Billionaires aren’t necessarily the ones demanding that we continue to massively subsidize single-family housing (by using the zoning code to artificially inflate its supply at the expense of multifamily) and exacerbate car-dependency.

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      It also shows how incredible the impact of the wealth gap on climate issues is even in rich countries like the US. The 1% having per capita emissions of 76t, whereas US average is at 17.6t. It is even starker in Europe with a lot of rich people, but lower per capita emissions.

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        6 hours ago

        If you rephrase these stats, the group from top 50% to top 1% is responsible for 76,4% of Co2. pretty sure you are in that group.

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          I’m not anywhere in that group. I haven’t even had a car in over ten years.

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              5 hours ago

              Well below that, yes.

              If you’re arguing that anyone making over 2k a year is part of the problem, then why even argue anything? You’re missing the point that there’s a much much smaller group of people causing much much more pollution.

              “If you take every adult alive into consideration then they are responsible for all the pollution”. Yeah, no shit.

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                3 hours ago

                Is blaming a worse group an excuse for a larger group to ignore everything?

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                  If the worse group is responsible for the overwhelming majority, yes. Not many people in the other group are ignoring it.

                  Do you always concern troll so ineffectively? …Ori and the Blind Reasoning over here.

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                    32 minutes ago

                    As i stated before, they are not responsible for the overwhelming majority, they are just much higher per person.

                    Even if you fix the top 1% to 0 you are still left with 84,1% of the previous emitted Co2.

                    I do agree that there should be reductions but not just to the top 1% and definitely dont blame someone as an excuse to be bad yourself.