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      17 days ago

      I think it’s one of those weasel words some leftists use so they can ignore their own hypocrisy while they moralize like the evangelical Christians they were raised as.

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        17 days ago

        So you don’t know what it means.

        Critical support means supporting AES countries against the capitalist hegemon despite still having criticisms of some of their decisions. I don’t have to think every single decision they make is perfect because I don’t moralize about my politics.

        What you’re talking about is dogmatism, i.e. taking uncritical moral positions and then denouncing any deviation. Mao harshly criticized this in On Contradiction and On Practice.

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          17 days ago

          No decision can ever be perfect, is my point.

          taking uncritical moral positions and then denouncing any deviation

          Lol I’ve been to Hexbear and old chapo chat, I have no idea how you can say this with a straight face.

          Mao harshly criticized this in On Contradiction and On Practice.

          Cool, was that before or after struggle sessions were implemented in China?

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            17 days ago

            Okay, that’s about following the Party line and the strategy of democratic centralism. What the Party decides is what the membership must respect and uphold.

            I am not a member of the Communist Party of China. They wouldn’t want me anyway lol

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              16 days ago

              i.e. taking uncritical moral positions and then denouncing any deviation

              What the Party decides is what the membership must respect and uphold.

              Hmmm

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                16 days ago

                It’s strategic, not moral. The Communist Party of China has 99 million members. Without democratic centralism it would just be a big club of communism fans, not a Party.

                Once there’s an agreed upon decision, every Party member must uphold it for the strategic advancement of the Party agenda.

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                  16 days ago

                  You honestly think citizens should be publicly punished and shamed for purely strategic reasons? I somehow don’t believe that.

                  every Party member must uphold it

                  Sounds like a moral imperative to me tbh

                  But honestly this is just more examples of trying to weasel out of hypocritical positions like evangelical Christians do. Change some words around and act like it’s a different thing even though the real world effect is the same, which is funny for a group that claims to deal in material conditions.

                  “I don’t HATE you, I just think you deserve to go to Hell.”

                  “We don’t denounce deviation because deviating is immoral, we denounce it because it would be bad game theory not to.”

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                    You honestly think citizens should be publicly punished and shamed for purely strategic reasons? I somehow don’t believe that.

                    I think Party members should be disciplined and forced to follow the Party line. Regular citizens who aren’t involved with politics shouldn’t be held to the same standards. If you want to be member of the Communist Party then you must subject yourself to the democratic center.

                    They don’t really hold every single Chinese citizen to the same standards as Party members these days. It’s unnecessary.

                    Sounds like a moral imperative to me tbh

                    It’s strategic because the goal is to advance the Party agenda. A moral imperative is just saying it’s the right thing to do, but that’s not what democratic centralism is about. It’s a strategy to hold Party members to a Party line and advance the Party’s agenda.

                    You’re trying to frame this as moralism but it has nothing to do with right or wrong. It’s about what works.