• bloodfart
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    3 months ago

    If you can’t build trust with a group what do you think is the way forward?

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          3 months ago

          Remove them from office or change the law so that office they hold does exist or change the power the office holds so it can’t do the kinds of things they want to do.

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            3 months ago

            Okay let me get this straight:

            There’s a group of people who don’t believe you can trust the elections. They think there’s a big conspiracy to manipulate them and have taken positions in the board of elections in order to make sure it’s done right (whatever that means).

            You and others think that theyre the ones involved a conspiracy to manipulate the election, and have occupied those positions in order to further their plot. You and others believe that they’re going ahead with a hand count, the method used when an election is in contention and its results need to be verified, so that the process will slow down and their candidate will be appointed by the house.

            You don’t think that trust can be built with that group and that they should be purged from office and the ability of those positions to verify and certify elections should be removed.

            You think the best response to a conspiracy minded movement which doesn’t trust the elections and has occupied the positions in government ostensibly tasked with election security and veracity with the stated purpose of making sure there is no manipulation is to force them out of those positions and take away that power.

            This is “put battery operated speakers in stop signs that remind schizophrenics to take their medication” level thinking and I’m here for it.

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              3 months ago

              The problem is that their vision of “done right” is to block non-whites, non-males, and non-their-kind-of-Christian from voting.

              Letting them have it be their version “done right” means that they get their way forever and trample the rights of other Americans.

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                3 months ago

                there are insane bigots.

                I do not see evidence that this group is pushing forward a bigoted agenda in deed.

                I am open to being wrong. If you have evidence of it, I want to see.

                I don’t think that a hand count in a state whose election results were called into question last time is a crazy move.

                I think suspicion of a conspiracy to use a hand count to slow the process down to the point that the election is decided by the house is not a good reason to prevent a hand count.

                I feel like I’m missing something critical here, but it doesn’t seem like you want to resolve people’s concerns or build trust because you believe those concerns don’t merit addressing and that it’s not possible to build trust with the people you see as your enemies.

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                  3 months ago

                  They’re not explicit, but when you see for example, Rick Jeffares having run for office and never managed to get a single dark-skinned person standing with him, it’s blindingly obvious what’s going on.

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                    3 months ago

                    Okay, like I said, there are insane bigots.

                    What is going on?