So much “but trump worst!!” in this thread, oof. Vote for the Biden administration if that’s your only choice, fine. But stop pretending that Biden himself is voteworthy - he’s not, and is hardly capable of functioning normally for 6 hours out of the day at this point. Anyone paying attention for the past year who is engaging in honest good faith, should be able to attest to that.
It would be much better for Biden to step down while there’s still time, if you’re really so terrified of Trump and want to ensure a Republican defeat come November. Those who are pushing for Biden himself to stay in are the real threat to democracy.
Come on Dems, how many times do you have to be taught the lesson of Feinstein and RBG?! For that matter, why are you so insistent on politicians literally working into the grave? It’s a grotesque level of elder abuse, what’s being done to Biden right now. You all should be ashamed.
I don’t get to see Biden for 6hrs out of the day like you seem to…I don’t care who runs. I’ll vote against P2025…run who you want, the DNC are knobs, but they make the call that our stupid FPTP system allows.
Yes, as I said vote for the admin if you must, which seems to be the choice forced upon us.
As for Biden, one of the excuses his own team trodded out for his demonstrably ailing performance is that he is only “on” between the hours of 10-4 each day. That is unacceptable for POTUS.
Great, so make your argument heard two years ago and not a few months before the election.
Otherwise, your arguments/debate is just supporting the no vote agenda that is being astro turfed by the right.
Which means you are probably a subversive.
We’ve been saying this shit since 2020. Those complaints just haven’t really been acknowledged by democrats until recently when they started running out of ways to plausibly deny it. They quelled it in 2020 by implying he would be only a 1 term president and, using the same existential threats as they’re relying on now, they barely eeked out a win that mostly came down to historic voter turn out.
Now, 4 years later, him being 800 years old is just the cherry on top. After a strategy that seems to have been just keeping him out of the spotlight, he and his PR team have been completely unable to effectively communicate what his administration has actually accomplished, and lets not forget about Palestine; it hasn’t even been a year since all hell broke loose on that issue and Biden’s handling of it has been wishy-washy at best, but whatever it doesn’t matter because the other guy is worse and uh-oh, we didn’t have a real primary to decide if there’s someone better out there. Too bad! Don’t care, didn’t ask.
Enough with this astroturfing shit, this is all plain to see for anyone paying attention. Biden staying in the race is actively hurting the chances of a democrat win, AND democrats down-ballot, and it’s nobody’s fault but the people that insist on him running against all possible voter indications that they won’t vote for him, just as it was with Hilary in 2016. They expected everything to fix itself and everyone to fall in line just like in 2020 because Trump is worse and now they’re shitting themselves because after their loss in 2016 and not nearly as much energy now as in 2020, they (or their donors) are starting to realize that voters might not be bluffing.
I say keep shitting on Biden, because it’s the only thing that seems to be getting democrats to slowly realize that unless they offer someone to voters that can win on their own merits against a competent opponent, they could actually lose to Trump. Again. Fucking embarrassing.
We’ve been making this argument for the last 3+ years, my dude.
No one who is saying all of this now was silent the last few years. I’ve personally been donating to, campaigning for, and bolstering the messaging of non-Mainstream-Dem candidates since I became disillusioned with Obama in my mid 20s. It’s not our fault y’all have been fucking ignoring us.
It’s like they completely ignore the fact that they have been completely ignoring us for 4 years and it’s just everyone else that’s wrong and if they shout a little louder everyone else will just finally do what they say.
It won’t work. They are the kind of people who got in the way of civil rights and left movements in fascist countries all over the world.
They won’t even be able to comprehend how they caused their own pain and go down blaming others that they never had a chance to control anyways.
Yeah, about that…as others pointed out, this sentiment isn’t new, it’s just finally breaking through to establishment dems and those in the corporate media because it’s become impossible to deny any longer.
Personally, I’ve maintained that Biden isn’t well qualified since he got picked as Obama’s VP to appeal to closeted racists. I certainly campaigned hard against him in 2020 when he crawled out of his cave to steal the nomination from Bernie for the 2nd election in a row, for many reasons which happened to include risks from his extremely advanced age and ailing mental faculties. And now here we are, undeniable for all to see, when it actually matters and we need a strong candidate to defeat a fascist uprising in the US we have Biden, one of the only Dem contenders capable of losing to Trump.
Here is something for you to consider - a candidate, especially an incumbent, should be able to earn votes by exhibiting a strong and successful record of leadership accomplishments and capabilities. They don’t deserve votes by virtue of party membership - they have to earn it. Perhaps those who choose not to vote simply haven’t been convinced Biden deserves it. You don’t get to blame and shame voters in this situation. The only one deserving of blame here is Biden himself, for putting his ego above the best interests of the nation.
So much “but trump worst!!” in this thread, oof. Vote for the Biden administration if that’s your only choice, fine. But stop pretending that Biden himself is voteworthy - he’s not, and is hardly capable of functioning normally for 6 hours out of the day at this point. Anyone paying attention for the past year who is engaging in honest good faith, should be able to attest to that.
It would be much better for Biden to step down while there’s still time, if you’re really so terrified of Trump and want to ensure a Republican defeat come November. Those who are pushing for Biden himself to stay in are the real threat to democracy.
Come on Dems, how many times do you have to be taught the lesson of Feinstein and RBG?! For that matter, why are you so insistent on politicians literally working into the grave? It’s a grotesque level of elder abuse, what’s being done to Biden right now. You all should be ashamed.
I don’t get to see Biden for 6hrs out of the day like you seem to…I don’t care who runs. I’ll vote against P2025…run who you want, the DNC are knobs, but they make the call that our stupid FPTP system allows.
Yes, as I said vote for the admin if you must, which seems to be the choice forced upon us.
As for Biden, one of the excuses his own team trodded out for his demonstrably ailing performance is that he is only “on” between the hours of 10-4 each day. That is unacceptable for POTUS.
This happens probably because of ppl who actually decide are mostly old rich ppl.
Great, so make your argument heard two years ago and not a few months before the election.
Otherwise, your arguments/debate is just supporting the no vote agenda that is being astro turfed by the right. Which means you are probably a subversive.
We’ve been saying this shit since 2020. Those complaints just haven’t really been acknowledged by democrats until recently when they started running out of ways to plausibly deny it. They quelled it in 2020 by implying he would be only a 1 term president and, using the same existential threats as they’re relying on now, they barely eeked out a win that mostly came down to historic voter turn out.
Now, 4 years later, him being 800 years old is just the cherry on top. After a strategy that seems to have been just keeping him out of the spotlight, he and his PR team have been completely unable to effectively communicate what his administration has actually accomplished, and lets not forget about Palestine; it hasn’t even been a year since all hell broke loose on that issue and Biden’s handling of it has been wishy-washy at best, but whatever it doesn’t matter because the other guy is worse and uh-oh, we didn’t have a real primary to decide if there’s someone better out there. Too bad! Don’t care, didn’t ask.
Enough with this astroturfing shit, this is all plain to see for anyone paying attention. Biden staying in the race is actively hurting the chances of a democrat win, AND democrats down-ballot, and it’s nobody’s fault but the people that insist on him running against all possible voter indications that they won’t vote for him, just as it was with Hilary in 2016. They expected everything to fix itself and everyone to fall in line just like in 2020 because Trump is worse and now they’re shitting themselves because after their loss in 2016 and not nearly as much energy now as in 2020, they (or their donors) are starting to realize that voters might not be bluffing.
I say keep shitting on Biden, because it’s the only thing that seems to be getting democrats to slowly realize that unless they offer someone to voters that can win on their own merits against a competent opponent, they could actually lose to Trump. Again. Fucking embarrassing.
We’ve been making this argument for the last 3+ years, my dude.
No one who is saying all of this now was silent the last few years. I’ve personally been donating to, campaigning for, and bolstering the messaging of non-Mainstream-Dem candidates since I became disillusioned with Obama in my mid 20s. It’s not our fault y’all have been fucking ignoring us.
It’s like they completely ignore the fact that they have been completely ignoring us for 4 years and it’s just everyone else that’s wrong and if they shout a little louder everyone else will just finally do what they say.
It won’t work. They are the kind of people who got in the way of civil rights and left movements in fascist countries all over the world.
They won’t even be able to comprehend how they caused their own pain and go down blaming others that they never had a chance to control anyways.
Yeah, about that…as others pointed out, this sentiment isn’t new, it’s just finally breaking through to establishment dems and those in the corporate media because it’s become impossible to deny any longer.
Personally, I’ve maintained that Biden isn’t well qualified since he got picked as Obama’s VP to appeal to closeted racists. I certainly campaigned hard against him in 2020 when he crawled out of his cave to steal the nomination from Bernie for the 2nd election in a row, for many reasons which happened to include risks from his extremely advanced age and ailing mental faculties. And now here we are, undeniable for all to see, when it actually matters and we need a strong candidate to defeat a fascist uprising in the US we have Biden, one of the only Dem contenders capable of losing to Trump.
Here is something for you to consider - a candidate, especially an incumbent, should be able to earn votes by exhibiting a strong and successful record of leadership accomplishments and capabilities. They don’t deserve votes by virtue of party membership - they have to earn it. Perhaps those who choose not to vote simply haven’t been convinced Biden deserves it. You don’t get to blame and shame voters in this situation. The only one deserving of blame here is Biden himself, for putting his ego above the best interests of the nation.