still less hassle then using linux like dont get me wrong if all u wanna do is internet browsing or maybe do some office work sure its fine but for any else its a huge pain in the ass if its even possible.
it’s all about learning a new workflow. having to go to a website amd downloading exe and going trough an installation wizard from the most basic things like programming language compiler or a web browser seems so backwards for me now after using only linux for 3 years
what are u even talking about getting used to linux wont suddenly make autodesk and a million other software vendors start making linux versions of their software, nor will it make game publishers make linux versions of their games much less stop them from being assholes about drm and anticheat.
just addressing your “paim in the ass” statement. it is true what you’re saying about propiertary software that is not available to linux but there are linux alternatives. which like I said, is the matter of a new workflow. work enviroment is a different though if they require certain software to be used. what comes to gaming, huge steps are made towards gaming on linux and most games work just fine with proton. games with heavy kernel level anticheats are a different thing though.
edit: and everything except browsing internet and office work is a big fucking strech
there are no linux alternatives for some stuff i use, i would need to use wine or emulate and whether it works properly if at all its basically random. and sure gaming on linux is the best it has ever been but considering the starting point that says basically nothing its passable at best, and sure u could just decide not play certain games but like u could also just use windows and play what u want.
also sure internet browsing and spreadsheets or writing stuff, just basic office work is the entire use case for a lot of people which is why i clarified that its fine for that but thats just not the use case for me.
I would like to know what software are you using that don’t have linux alternatives.
and you’re still downplaying linux a lot. programmin is huge thing on linux and propably most people use it for that. there are a lot of digital art software which is made for linux. you can do cad work with freecad, altough it has quite different workflow than a lot of other cad software
just autodesks suit of cad programs. and free cad is not an acceptable replacement at all much less the free versions of autocad and revit, not only are alternative versions less powerful, most of them fuck up when exporting in the file formats for the programs most people use which creates problems for them which is just not acceptable.
then theres stuff i need for school like lockdown browser and multisim are the main ones multisim has a web version but its borderline useless. plus a bunch of other weird ancient software ill used for like one semester cuz the professor was feeling it and its very hit an miss whether those have a native linux version or not.
look im sure u could make it work but thats my point in windows everything just works, u could fuck around with these programs and get some of them working and get adequate replacements for other and dualboot for fucking lockdown browser, but thats my point exacly its more of a pain in the ass to make this shit work and make everything else in the future work than just fucking around with windows once to turn of all the anti pravacy shit, u know which is what i said in my comment the original one, which yall are ignoring because ur brain is so linux poisoned that when someone says doing x in linux is annoying ur response is “u can make it work tho so its fine and ur wrong and doing x is overated anyways why don u do y instead”
my point was still originally that in most cases it’s just change of a workflow. even if something needs a tinkering at first time after thst you know how to do it and it’s not a chore anymore. I would definetly feel thst even if in windows thinf just work it would be pain in the ass for me to do the stuff in windows way because I’m used to linux way.
but also I have very different use cases than you, since I’m a programmer that does 3D modeling as a hobby on blender, and I don’t play competitive games. so for me the linux is “everything just works” os, since if I had any problems at start when I didn’t known how to do something, that’s not most certainly the case anymore
literally my whole steam library with 80 something games works with linux. just saying. and they are not some linux specific games either. fallout 4, mafias, baldurs gate 3, the forest, rdr 2, gta v etc.
your opinion is from 5 years ago. when have you last even tried to game on linux? and what are you even doing in linuxmemes with these comments? :D kernel level anti cheat is a different thing though
just go check protondb if you need some proof it has all the games on steam listed with info how well they work
last time i tried was when microsoft announced windows 10 would stop getting updates, because windows 11 looks dreadful and i wanted to know how viable linux was. answer not at all atleast for me.
lmao. the fact that kernel-level anti cheat multiplayers don’t work don’t work on linux don’t mean you can’t game on linux or that it is bad experience. a lot of people don’t play those and they are mostly put on competitive game. steam has literslly brought thousands of games to linux in just a few years
out of 1000 top games on steam 77% has either platinum or gold rating in terms of woking. I’m sorry linux isn’t viable for gaming?
and we literally have linux gaming handheld, steam deck. which has over 4000 games with steam verified status and something like 14000 gold or platinum status games
edit: sorry didn’t notice the “at least for me” part which makes your comment valid if you happen to play those kernel anticheat games
not only was i talking about my use case and experiences, lets be very clear “gold” rating is unacceptable and the fact that “it works when u fuck around with it a bit” is the gold standard for linux gaming and the state of half the games is already terrible. the fact that when i say doing anything in linux besides absolute basic tasks is a pain in the ass yalls response is u that u can make it work which is bizzare making it work IS a pain in the ass.
in my experience gold games work almost alwaus just fine. I don’t expect platinum rating on a lot of games since a lot of modern games are just as unstable on windows as they are on linux. In my opinion the meaning of gold rating has changed a lot. 2010s with wine gold used to have quite a lot of tinkering but with proton nowadays it’s usually either just fine or solved with 1 or 2 launch commands copy pasted from protondb. some games have even slightly better performance on linux with the right hardware.
sorry for starting the whole argument but I also don’t know what kind of answers you expected when you came to linux community trash talking linux with things that a lot of linux users don’t agree with. your use cases happens to be one of the worst though on linux.
but the fact that you cant use professional cad software and play games that are specifically made impossible to play on linux don’t mean that you can’t do anything but use office and browser and I still do think that statement is stupid as hell.
but sorry again for getting so heated, I’m going to stop arguing now since neither of us are going to change their minds and this contributes absolutely nothing
Id like to know what means “too much fiddling”. So far in my steam library of 400+ games, there has only been one that didn’t work with my Steam Deck, and it was because the Devs chose Kernel Level Anticheat over making the game available to Linux users.
Hell, the most “fiddling” i do, is “Add game as a non-steam game” through lutris so my controller works in gaming mode. Or maybe I have to change the graphics preset from high to low? If thats too much fiddling than yeah, I guess I’d be curious what you do on windows that isn’t considered fiddling.
The last time I ran Linux on my main gaming rig I had a couple of key problems that largely made me call it quits:
Games with gold and platinum ratings on WineDB (this was about the time Proton was newly released) would require far too much fiddling to get working if I could get them working at all.
A couple of fairly uncommon games I played a lot at the time had weird issues with user-generated content related to filesystem and library case-sensitivity differences.
Game crashes from content conflicts more often than not created system crashes, which both obscured crash dialogues which would normally point me to the content to explore why it was crashing, and extended the amount of time needed to troubleshoot an install and get it working
I’ll probably try it again at some point in the next handful of years, especially since the Linux desktop has come so far in the 3 years or so since I last tried it out. I already run Linux on about half of the systems I use regularly, so its not like I’m completely out of the game.
yeah I definetly know what you mean. with wine it definetly was pain in the ass to make the configuration by yourself to every game. luckily we now have proton doing excellent work for that. and if it’s not a steam game we have lutris doing excellent work for that with their install scripts.
we even have glorius eggroll releasing wine-ge and proton-ge where they apply plenty of game specific patches
in steam I feel like maybe 2 out of 10 gold rated games have some little issues, and even then I just have to copy paste launch comand from proton db, no need to fiddle around too much
Basically every steam game just works, most other stuff just works with lutris, all retroarch emulators I’ve tried just work, there are obviously oodles of native linux games particularly Indies. Nvidia drivers mostly just work if you install proprietary (blurgh).
plenty of multiplayer games dont work because their anti cheat disallows it including literally the only multiplayer game i play regularly. also tons of older games dont work.
Which ones don’t? I don’t play many MP games but non of the ones I have played have issues. Easy anticheat works for example, and you can run it in ring 3 and lie which is nice.
its not about if anticheat works or not some developers just adverbially decided to disable the ability to play on linux, it sucks but it just is what it is.
Weird, I suppose you could also VM it but it tends to have a performance hit without optimised hardware. I wonder how they check the environment it runs in and if you can just lie to the checks.
at that point probably easier to just dual boot if u must use linux, but this is exactly the kind of annoyances that make it a deal breaker for me. its just not there yet for my use case.
How exactly? When using Linux, I get similar problems to those I get in Windows but in contrast to Windows, I’m able to find a solution and solve them.
in that there is no linux versions of tons of software i use and cant just decide to stop using and trying to get the windows versions working on linux is a pain in the ass and half the time it doesnt work.
still less hassle then using linux like dont get me wrong if all u wanna do is internet browsing or maybe do some office work sure its fine but for any else its a huge pain in the ass if its even possible.
it’s all about learning a new workflow. having to go to a website amd downloading exe and going trough an installation wizard from the most basic things like programming language compiler or a web browser seems so backwards for me now after using only linux for 3 years
what are u even talking about getting used to linux wont suddenly make autodesk and a million other software vendors start making linux versions of their software, nor will it make game publishers make linux versions of their games much less stop them from being assholes about drm and anticheat.
just addressing your “paim in the ass” statement. it is true what you’re saying about propiertary software that is not available to linux but there are linux alternatives. which like I said, is the matter of a new workflow. work enviroment is a different though if they require certain software to be used. what comes to gaming, huge steps are made towards gaming on linux and most games work just fine with proton. games with heavy kernel level anticheats are a different thing though.
edit: and everything except browsing internet and office work is a big fucking strech
there are no linux alternatives for some stuff i use, i would need to use wine or emulate and whether it works properly if at all its basically random. and sure gaming on linux is the best it has ever been but considering the starting point that says basically nothing its passable at best, and sure u could just decide not play certain games but like u could also just use windows and play what u want.
also sure internet browsing and spreadsheets or writing stuff, just basic office work is the entire use case for a lot of people which is why i clarified that its fine for that but thats just not the use case for me.
I would like to know what software are you using that don’t have linux alternatives.
and you’re still downplaying linux a lot. programmin is huge thing on linux and propably most people use it for that. there are a lot of digital art software which is made for linux. you can do cad work with freecad, altough it has quite different workflow than a lot of other cad software
just autodesks suit of cad programs. and free cad is not an acceptable replacement at all much less the free versions of autocad and revit, not only are alternative versions less powerful, most of them fuck up when exporting in the file formats for the programs most people use which creates problems for them which is just not acceptable.
then theres stuff i need for school like lockdown browser and multisim are the main ones multisim has a web version but its borderline useless. plus a bunch of other weird ancient software ill used for like one semester cuz the professor was feeling it and its very hit an miss whether those have a native linux version or not.
look im sure u could make it work but thats my point in windows everything just works, u could fuck around with these programs and get some of them working and get adequate replacements for other and dualboot for fucking lockdown browser, but thats my point exacly its more of a pain in the ass to make this shit work and make everything else in the future work than just fucking around with windows once to turn of all the anti pravacy shit, u know which is what i said in my comment the original one, which yall are ignoring because ur brain is so linux poisoned that when someone says doing x in linux is annoying ur response is “u can make it work tho so its fine and ur wrong and doing x is overated anyways why don u do y instead”
my point was still originally that in most cases it’s just change of a workflow. even if something needs a tinkering at first time after thst you know how to do it and it’s not a chore anymore. I would definetly feel thst even if in windows thinf just work it would be pain in the ass for me to do the stuff in windows way because I’m used to linux way.
but also I have very different use cases than you, since I’m a programmer that does 3D modeling as a hobby on blender, and I don’t play competitive games. so for me the linux is “everything just works” os, since if I had any problems at start when I didn’t known how to do something, that’s not most certainly the case anymore
Yeah linux sucks unless you want to browse the internet, do office work, or play games.
Anything else is basically impossible.
did you forget programming? its a breeze with linux
i wouldn’t put play games on that list by any stretch.
literally my whole steam library with 80 something games works with linux. just saying. and they are not some linux specific games either. fallout 4, mafias, baldurs gate 3, the forest, rdr 2, gta v etc.
your opinion is from 5 years ago. when have you last even tried to game on linux? and what are you even doing in linuxmemes with these comments? :D kernel level anti cheat is a different thing though
just go check protondb if you need some proof it has all the games on steam listed with info how well they work
last time i tried was when microsoft announced windows 10 would stop getting updates, because windows 11 looks dreadful and i wanted to know how viable linux was. answer not at all atleast for me.
lmao. the fact that kernel-level anti cheat multiplayers don’t work don’t work on linux don’t mean you can’t game on linux or that it is bad experience. a lot of people don’t play those and they are mostly put on competitive game. steam has literslly brought thousands of games to linux in just a few years
out of 1000 top games on steam 77% has either platinum or gold rating in terms of woking. I’m sorry linux isn’t viable for gaming?
and we literally have linux gaming handheld, steam deck. which has over 4000 games with steam verified status and something like 14000 gold or platinum status games
edit: sorry didn’t notice the “at least for me” part which makes your comment valid if you happen to play those kernel anticheat games
not only was i talking about my use case and experiences, lets be very clear “gold” rating is unacceptable and the fact that “it works when u fuck around with it a bit” is the gold standard for linux gaming and the state of half the games is already terrible. the fact that when i say doing anything in linux besides absolute basic tasks is a pain in the ass yalls response is u that u can make it work which is bizzare making it work IS a pain in the ass.
in my experience gold games work almost alwaus just fine. I don’t expect platinum rating on a lot of games since a lot of modern games are just as unstable on windows as they are on linux. In my opinion the meaning of gold rating has changed a lot. 2010s with wine gold used to have quite a lot of tinkering but with proton nowadays it’s usually either just fine or solved with 1 or 2 launch commands copy pasted from protondb. some games have even slightly better performance on linux with the right hardware.
sorry for starting the whole argument but I also don’t know what kind of answers you expected when you came to linux community trash talking linux with things that a lot of linux users don’t agree with. your use cases happens to be one of the worst though on linux.
but the fact that you cant use professional cad software and play games that are specifically made impossible to play on linux don’t mean that you can’t do anything but use office and browser and I still do think that statement is stupid as hell.
but sorry again for getting so heated, I’m going to stop arguing now since neither of us are going to change their minds and this contributes absolutely nothing
Id like to know what means “too much fiddling”. So far in my steam library of 400+ games, there has only been one that didn’t work with my Steam Deck, and it was because the Devs chose Kernel Level Anticheat over making the game available to Linux users.
Hell, the most “fiddling” i do, is “Add game as a non-steam game” through lutris so my controller works in gaming mode. Or maybe I have to change the graphics preset from high to low? If thats too much fiddling than yeah, I guess I’d be curious what you do on windows that isn’t considered fiddling.
The last time I ran Linux on my main gaming rig I had a couple of key problems that largely made me call it quits:
I’ll probably try it again at some point in the next handful of years, especially since the Linux desktop has come so far in the 3 years or so since I last tried it out. I already run Linux on about half of the systems I use regularly, so its not like I’m completely out of the game.
yeah I definetly know what you mean. with wine it definetly was pain in the ass to make the configuration by yourself to every game. luckily we now have proton doing excellent work for that. and if it’s not a steam game we have lutris doing excellent work for that with their install scripts.
we even have glorius eggroll releasing wine-ge and proton-ge where they apply plenty of game specific patches
in steam I feel like maybe 2 out of 10 gold rated games have some little issues, and even then I just have to copy paste launch comand from proton db, no need to fiddle around too much
Basically every steam game just works, most other stuff just works with lutris, all retroarch emulators I’ve tried just work, there are obviously oodles of native linux games particularly Indies. Nvidia drivers mostly just work if you install proprietary (blurgh).
What doesn’t work?
plenty of multiplayer games dont work because their anti cheat disallows it including literally the only multiplayer game i play regularly. also tons of older games dont work.
Which ones don’t? I don’t play many MP games but non of the ones I have played have issues. Easy anticheat works for example, and you can run it in ring 3 and lie which is nice.
https://areweanticheatyet.com/
its not about if anticheat works or not some developers just adverbially decided to disable the ability to play on linux, it sucks but it just is what it is.
Weird, I suppose you could also VM it but it tends to have a performance hit without optimised hardware. I wonder how they check the environment it runs in and if you can just lie to the checks.
at that point probably easier to just dual boot if u must use linux, but this is exactly the kind of annoyances that make it a deal breaker for me. its just not there yet for my use case.
How exactly? When using Linux, I get similar problems to those I get in Windows but in contrast to Windows, I’m able to find a solution and solve them.
in that there is no linux versions of tons of software i use and cant just decide to stop using and trying to get the windows versions working on linux is a pain in the ass and half the time it doesnt work.