• AggressivelyPassive@feddit.de
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    1 month ago

    Talking about the “initial fault” in this conflict is moot. We’re at a point, where both sides can reasonably point to some events in the past and blame the other side for the conflict.

    Fact is, Iran is a theocratic dictatorship and its allies are religious fanatic militias, while Israel is a liberal democracy, supported by pretty much all of The West™. Of course the expectations towards Israel regarding human rights and international law are slightly higher. And let’s be honest, what Israel is doing right now is certainly not helping calming the situation, or even making long term peace.

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      1 month ago

      I don’t know if I fully buy that argument.

      If somebody supports Israel, they are supporting a genocide based on perceived land needs of the Israeli people.

      If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.

      I don’t think we can get anywhere unless all of us as leftists acknowledge that the Jews of Israel will be in the same position the people of Palestine are in right now if we don’t thread the needle of support and guess what? We are not fucking threading that needle.

      • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
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        1 month ago

        If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.

        What? No significant player in Palestine is trying to do that.

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          1 month ago

          If we pretend the “elected” government of Palestine is in significant than sure.

          • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
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            1 month ago

            Uh… Hamas has tried to make peace with Israel before. Multiple times. Including two attempts to hand over Gaza to the PA and start peace negotiations. Israel has refused all of them.

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                1 month ago

                Uh… They are? Hamas has stated what they consider an acceptable ceasefire by listing their bare minimum “if we don’t get this there’s no point” demands and Israel keeps rejecting them. It’s Israel refusing to compromise here.

                Also you ignored my reply.

                • WamGams@lemmy.ca
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                  1 month ago

                  Uhm… No.

                  Hamas rejected the last ceasefire because they won’t hand over 40 hostages.

                  At least keep current of the news if you are pretending you care.