Right, the only value and purpose of arts and literature, it’s creation and enjoyment, is to make a product to sell or consume a story. What a foolish opinion.
Stable Diffusion is open source and free to be used by anyone. A lot of people have used it for creation and enjoyment. It cuts artists out of the loop and enables a lot of ordinary people to create art. I see this as a huge win.
Exactly the type of fucking idiot that’s never created art in their life.
“Art is paintings of horses”-ass motherfucker.
The reason you can’t make art isn’t because you’re bad at drawing or painting and need AI to help you, it’s because you don’t have the creativity to overcome those limitations. No matter what words you put into stable diffusion, you will only create pictures, not art - there’s no meaning underlying the piece, you just typed “t-rex with massive tits” and called the output art because you can’t tell the difference.
its not even that they don’t have the creativity - its that people have been so poisoned by commodity capitalism that they feel like their art ‘doesn’t count’ unless it looks like ‘real art’ that can make money
people are so isolated from the creative process that they think they can dump it entirely, as if all it is is just knowing how to scribble on a page
its more like the pizza shop calling you out when you’re cooking frozen pizza and calling yourself a chef
all power to you if you want to just consume slop, but dont complain when you turn around years later and the quality of everything across the board has gone even further to shit cos you were so happy you could type in words and see anything you wanted for all the 15 minutes of dopamine it gave you
even mediocre artists actually create art, which is something stable diffusion can’t do and will never be able to do. You completely misunderstand what art is and its purpose. It’s not just a nice looking picture or a meandering story. You understand art as a technical profession creating a product to sell, which is why you equate AI slop with art. Your earlier comment making a distinction between artists and “ordinary people” is completely wrong. The distinction between someone who’s an artist and otherwise isn’t technical proficiency or ability to make a picture. It’s a deeper skill than that, the ability to be creative, to have perspective. It’s an ability to communicate. AI can’t communicate because it doesn’t have a perspective, since it doesn’t actually know anything.
they don’t respect artists, they don’t respect artistic labour but they so desperately need and want the fruits of said labour and so the only option left is to cheat and lie
hell, it’s evident in the last sentence of their reply - that they see ‘Artist’ as a profession that is getting ‘Obsoleted’, as if the only reason art exists in the first place is because we as a society have been too archaic, and we would jump at the chance to drop the creative process in a heartbeat
complete and total alienation from creativity as a human experience
How will AI take over creative professions when it can’t even perform rote professions? AI chatbots keep going rogue and lying to customers about company policies (and even the actual law), image generators can’t get enough of illegal and violent imagery, facial recognition AI’s keep identifying black people as all looking the same - in art the value of a peice is constrained by the meaning it has to people, so why do you think that LLMs and all the other predictive generators we laughably call intelligent will be able to create meaningful peices by putting together the most likely set of pixels?
Quite the opposite. AI allows people to express themselves in interesting ways. There are communities of people online sharing beautiful images and videos they created with Stable Diffusion. Why is that bad?
THAT isn’t bad. But you are incredibly naive if you think that’s where this will stay in this hell world of ours, if you think it will simply be a nice tool to allow greater access to creative expression
I would like you to know that if you say this, or other things you said in this thread to my face, I would punch the smug out of you.
Remember this post in a few years when your billion dollar theft machines have shut down for being huge wastes of money and effort and the few survivors, if any, have been sectioned off into expensive subscription models that you are priced out of because they need to make the literal billions of dollars it costs to make and run them back at some point.
This is the same-ass bubble as NFTs and crypto and it will also die.
It has already happened in our lifetime with medical illustration. This is pre-gpt. It will just now spread. Are generated diagrams worse in subtle ways? Yes, but not enough to matter for the difference in first or ease of use.
I have a Masters in Medical Art. (late 1980s) 35 years ago some were saying ‘we won’t need medical artists because of photography’ and then a few years later ‘because of personal computers’. This isn’t the case. But when the general
public has access to a tool they love to talk about how a discipline is going away because ‘now anyone can do it’.
Most of Arts will be automated away. Stable Diffusion is just the beginning.
Right, the only value and purpose of arts and literature, it’s creation and enjoyment, is to make a product to sell or consume a story. What a foolish opinion.
Stable Diffusion is open source and free to be used by anyone. A lot of people have used it for creation and enjoyment. It cuts artists out of the loop and enables a lot of ordinary people to create art. I see this as a huge win.
Exactly the type of fucking idiot that’s never created art in their life.
“Art is paintings of horses”-ass motherfucker.
The reason you can’t make art isn’t because you’re bad at drawing or painting and need AI to help you, it’s because you don’t have the creativity to overcome those limitations. No matter what words you put into stable diffusion, you will only create pictures, not art - there’s no meaning underlying the piece, you just typed “t-rex with massive tits” and called the output art because you can’t tell the difference.
its not even that they don’t have the creativity - its that people have been so poisoned by commodity capitalism that they feel like their art ‘doesn’t count’ unless it looks like ‘real art’ that can make money
people are so isolated from the creative process that they think they can dump it entirely, as if all it is is just knowing how to scribble on a page
Well, people like what comes out of Stable Diffusion. Which is perfectly fine.
This is like the pizza shop complaining that I’m cooking at home.
its more like the pizza shop calling you out when you’re cooking frozen pizza and calling yourself a chef
all power to you if you want to just consume slop, but dont complain when you turn around years later and the quality of everything across the board has gone even further to shit cos you were so happy you could type in words and see anything you wanted for all the 15 minutes of dopamine it gave you
Artist incomes are threatened by the rise of Generative models. Especially mediocre artists who Stable Diffusion have already surpassed.
Technology changes the world and obsoletes some professions. It has been like this for ever. Artists are not any different.
even mediocre artists actually create art, which is something stable diffusion can’t do and will never be able to do. You completely misunderstand what art is and its purpose. It’s not just a nice looking picture or a meandering story. You understand art as a technical profession creating a product to sell, which is why you equate AI slop with art. Your earlier comment making a distinction between artists and “ordinary people” is completely wrong. The distinction between someone who’s an artist and otherwise isn’t technical proficiency or ability to make a picture. It’s a deeper skill than that, the ability to be creative, to have perspective. It’s an ability to communicate. AI can’t communicate because it doesn’t have a perspective, since it doesn’t actually know anything.
this is what it always comes down to
they don’t respect artists, they don’t respect artistic labour but they so desperately need and want the fruits of said labour and so the only option left is to cheat and lie
hell, it’s evident in the last sentence of their reply - that they see ‘Artist’ as a profession that is getting ‘Obsoleted’, as if the only reason art exists in the first place is because we as a society have been too archaic, and we would jump at the chance to drop the creative process in a heartbeat
complete and total alienation from creativity as a human experience
yet AI produces beautiful images.
This is not any different from the invention of paint or coloured glass improving quality of art.
genuinely curious what you mean by ‘mediocre artists’ and the idea that Stable Diffusion has ‘surpassed’ them
do you have any examples? or is this just a vibes thing?
take a look at civitai: https://civitai.com/images
there are some amazing gems there.
How will AI take over creative professions when it can’t even perform rote professions? AI chatbots keep going rogue and lying to customers about company policies (and even the actual law), image generators can’t get enough of illegal and violent imagery, facial recognition AI’s keep identifying black people as all looking the same - in art the value of a peice is constrained by the meaning it has to people, so why do you think that LLMs and all the other predictive generators we laughably call intelligent will be able to create meaningful peices by putting together the most likely set of pixels?
they are improving vey fast.
Wait you think this is a good thing?
You think it’s a good thing that people will be even more unable to express themselves in our capitalist hell scape?
You REALLY don’t see how this will bring on yet more horrors?
Quite the opposite. AI allows people to express themselves in interesting ways. There are communities of people online sharing beautiful images and videos they created with Stable Diffusion. Why is that bad?
THAT isn’t bad. But you are incredibly naive if you think that’s where this will stay in this hell world of ours, if you think it will simply be a nice tool to allow greater access to creative expression
It cuts out the middlemen, which is usually good. People don’t need to pay an artist to make something, they can just make one themselves using AI.
Describing normal working artists this way is weird as fuck, you have such a warped conception of reality
I agree. Anyway look at this cool picture I just made using AI.
I would like you to know that if you say this, or other things you said in this thread to my face, I would punch the smug out of you.
Remember this post in a few years when your billion dollar theft machines have shut down for being huge wastes of money and effort and the few survivors, if any, have been sectioned off into expensive subscription models that you are priced out of because they need to make the literal billions of dollars it costs to make and run them back at some point.
This is the same-ass bubble as NFTs and crypto and it will also die.
why so angry?
Because it’s a useful emotion.
the art understander has logged on
Death to America
Spoken like someone who doesn’t understand why people engage with art in the first place. AKA a techbro.
People love Stable Diffusion, and use it a lot. Why do you think is that?
Because most people don’t engage with art critically. See Marvel movies. Maybe others are fine with remixed slop but I am not.
It has already happened in our lifetime with medical illustration. This is pre-gpt. It will just now spread. Are generated diagrams worse in subtle ways? Yes, but not enough to matter for the difference in first or ease of use.
Nah. Association of Medical Illustrators
I have a Masters in Medical Art. (late 1980s) 35 years ago some were saying ‘we won’t need medical artists because of photography’ and then a few years later ‘because of personal computers’. This isn’t the case. But when the general public has access to a tool they love to talk about how a discipline is going away because ‘now anyone can do it’.
Yeah sure dude, let me just ask my mom who worked 30 years in the industry doing it.
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