• Ghyste@sh.itjust.works
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    Israel wanted this to happen. The US wasn’t the only warning they got.

    And the civilians are the ones who suffer.

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    As I wrote 8n another string…

    Those assessments, if true, were certainty shared with the Israelis. Problem is that there is no actionable intelligence, but certainly Israel could have moved up its security posture. The same thing happened on 9/11 when Rice was advised and did nothing to upgrade security as she was NSA.

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        There is no justification for terrorism. There is no justification for a government wishing violence on its citizens. Both of these concepts should be easy to agree with.

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          Wait, I’m confused. Can you tell me though which of the sides is “my people?” Then I’ll know whether it’s justified.

          /s :-(

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      The same thing happened on 9/11 when Rice was advised and did nothing to upgrade security as she was NSA.

      Yeah but even if the US had decided to increase security, I doubt it would have really prevented highjackers from seizing the planes.

      The biggest difference is that netanyahus failed to move security forces back to the border, keeping them preoccupied with protecting the illegal settlements. More than likely this wouldn’t have been possible, or at least nearly as bad if the current administration wasn’t so fixated on the settlements.

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        Arguably, preventing violence against illegal settlers is a higher priority for the Netanyahu regime than preventing violence against innocent civilians, because illegal settlers are reliable Netanyahu supporters and innocent civilians are not.

        It’s standard neofascist strategy. Trump, Modi, Orban, Putin, etc. would do the same.

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          That’s kinda my theory as well, his regime and Hamas are codependent on each other being willing to escalate violence to maintain their hold on power.

          I believe that bibi probably thought there would eventually be some escalation that he could utilize to consolidate power, I just don’t think it was going to be quite as large or effective.

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        Used to travel quite a lot. Before 9/11 when you landed in say Germany you would get eyes on you from the time you left the plane. There was always security with machine guns. Don’t know if that would have given al Queida pause, but it would have been something instead of nothing.

        As for Bibi, he’ll be gone as soon as the war is over. It’s happened before in Israel.

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          Used to travel quite a lot. Before 9/11 when you landed in say Germany you would get eyes on you from the time you left the plane. There was always security with machine guns. Don’t know if that would have given al Queida pause, but it would have been something instead of nothing.

          Really? I’m an old fart as well, and I don’t ever recall ever seeing security armed with machine guns pre 9/11, especially in Europe.

          Though I guess it depends on how far back you’re talking. If it’s early 90’s or late 80s it might make more sense, there were more than a couple odd terrorist groups active in the western part of Germany back then that may have juiced up security.

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            Lived in Germany in the 80s, flew in and out of the Frankfurt airport every year. There was a bombing there in 85, and for years after that there were people with automatic weapons in the airport.

            We flew out of Frankfurt a couple days after the bombing. It was a bit tense.

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            I think things changed after the 72 Munich Olympics. The subtle part was the cleaning crew that always seemed to be cleaning your gate and giving you the once over. The not so subtle part was fully strapped security officers. I suppose things might of changed with the travel databases.

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              Ahh, yea the 70s to about mid 80s was the golden age of plane highjacking. Your visit may have been after the Lufthansa highjacking in 77’ by the PLO. Germany had a massive increase in security after that lasted until the early 90s.

              The last time I was in Germany pre 9/11 was around 97 I think? They had relaxed on the security by then, at least for transatlantic flights. Sometimes I forget how crazy the late 80s and early 90a were in Europe.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    None of the American assessments offered any tactical details or indications of the overwhelming scope, scale and sheer brutality of the operation that Hamas carried out on October 7, sources say.

    But the assessments were among a wave of high-level warnings given to the Biden administration by both its own intelligence community and Middle Eastern allies over the past year, raising questions about whether the US and Israel were appropriately attuned to the risk.

    A Middle Eastern ambassador in Washington, DC, also told CNN that their government had repeatedly warned the White House and US intelligence officials of a buildup of Hamas weapons and anger among Palestinians that was set to explode.

    But US officials also believe that Israel had become complacent about the threat Hamas posed and failed to recognize key indicators that the group was planning for a large-scale operation.

    Israel believed that its policy of offering work permits to Gazans and allowed Qatari money into the country had given Hamas something to lose — and lulled the group into quiescence.

    “Hamas is very, very restrained and understands the implications of further defiance,” Tzachi Hanegbi, Israel’s national security adviser, told an Israeli radio channel six days before the assault.


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