SimpleX is a highly secure IM app, so does WireMin, but it is more than just a secure IM app.
First of all, they are in commons with some of their privacy-focused characteristics:
But why I would say that WireMin is more than just a secure messaging tool?
Here are some WireMin’s unique features that I discovered so far:
- Available on desktop device (Windows, MacOS, Linux), because decentralized network may cause high amount of cellular data usage when connecting with nodes.
- Boasting a Discovery section to connect with all WireMin users.
- Feed space for* blog posting*, sharing anonymously.
- Public Chat space with unlimited members
- Web 3 aspect: ‘D-payment’ for crypto transfer while chatting with your friends
- Fast & Unlimited file transfer
All in all, if you are only looking for secure messaing tool, both SimpleX and WireMin can meet your need, but SimpleX is only a messanging tool, WireMin is a completely decentralized social network, as described on their web page “A new era of social network – Freedom”, basically it is more fun and useful than SimpleX.
Personally thinks that WireMin can replace Twitter, Facebook, and other big tech social media, these web2 platforms has override on users for too long, stealing and spying on their data. WireMin structuring everything differently through decentralization, which means data ownership and privacy right is 100% on user’s hand.
1con for SimpleX: It is not 100% decentralized, this is its disadvantage.
1 con for WireMin: Not open sourced, but it is on Alchemy dapp store. I have asked their dev team, responded as: “We are working on it.”
So one is not open source, the other is not decentralized. Both are equal when looking at your visual, there are only some very minor differences.
They say they are both decentralized, or I am missing something?
SimpleX is not fully decentralized.
Looks interesting, yet not open source? What is a d-payment? Some own coin stuff or erc20? Anyhow, I never used any of the two, and I wonder why we need more?
Yeah, I asked the WireMin team, and they said they are working on open source.
D-payment is not their own coin; it’s just a tool for WireMin users to transfer Bitcoin or Ether within the chat. It’s like sending out invoices (check out the picture; it was an airdrop within their official chat room).
I would say both of them did not do much on marketing probably? Even though they are not as famous as Signal or Elements, what I see from them is that they are using a decentralized structure to enhance the security of private messaging tools. For example, Signal requires a phone number to register, whereas SimpleX and WireMin do not require any personal information to create an ID, making them 100% anonymous. Plus, Signal is a centralized platform, which means all data is kept in one place, potentially resulting in data leaks. However, this is not the case with decentralized platforms.
I’d like Signal to not require a phone number but is pretty much a feature that it uses them. I only chat with people I know and those people sometimes want to call me. Having the phone number as the single identifier is great, else I’d have to maintain more.
Obviously it’s not good to use a phone number for many other use cases. And centralization etc isn’t great either, except for ease of onboarding etc.
What I can say is that I’d never use any more private messaging platforms that aren’t foss and federated. There’s too many closed and proprietary systems already on my phone.
I’ve never heard of either of these. I’ve got Signal and Element/Matrix. Why should I care about anything else?
I disliked signal app wise, and Matrix app was a buggy mess for me and the 4 other people who tried to use it as well
SimpleX was easy to setup and has been for the most part stable for all of us.
Basically to answer your question, people like different things.
SimpleX isn’t perfect by any means but it seems to be developed at a somewhat decent pace with noticeable improvements being made.
They are decentralized, so no clouds to keep user data like Signal or Elements.
Except for signal, matrix is also decentralized. I understand what you meant tho. I think matrix still stores user data on servers, but they could be encrypted. Others who know please correct me.
If you enable E2E the server only has basic metadata. You can easily host your own server too.
No one knows whether Matrix has the key to decrypted it or not tho
But everyone can host their own server?
Also because you can’t be sure with an open source application like matrix you should trust applications like those linked here that are either closed source or centralised?
Especially since it has.the crypto included by default makes me very sceptical of it.
Also why compare 2 tools that no-one heard of and is using and not add stuff like signal or matrix to the comparison? Probably since it would’ve let those 2 look worse?
Cuz I am open to try out other tools? I am not satisfied with matrix, and signal, no go.
No offense, but saying this almost completely disqualifies you from having this conversation about private messengers.
It’s all open source you can verify that and it your worried about that run your own server and fully block matrix.org
Available on desktop device (Windows, MacOS, Linux), because decentralized network may cause high amount of cellular data usage when connecting with nodes.
It looks like SimpleX does have a desktop app, it’s just via cli: https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat/tree/stable#zap-quick-installation-of-a-terminal-app
Latest release has a GUI desktop app: https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat/releases
Thx
Thx, checking rn
Hmmm… Never heard of these. Might be time to check them out!
Both of them are messenger without user IDs. Other apps have user IDs: Signal, Matrix, Session, Briar, Jami, Cwtch, etc.
So how does messaging even work when I don’t have a user id? How does my friend know how to contact me?
QR code, or invite link for chat rooms, feed space, dms. Like this: https://i.wiremin.com/invite/?g=k50898951439
You give them a unique link to click or get them to scan a QR code and they’ll join a room with you
Yea… It’s not clicking for me either lol
Like the way you see new things coming, some people are just being so rejected
Fash paradise. Will be giving this one a miss until and unless it proves otherwise.
Gonna give a look at WireMin. Won’t be daily driver though as non of my friends will sign up
Talk to strangers on there maybe lmao
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What? Lemmy, the very platform you are currently commenting on, is decentralised and has nathing to do with blockchains at all. Do you think that only blockchains can be decentralised?
