I though conservatism was about keeping the government out of our lives, not expanding its reach…
That’s what they want you to think. It’s an advertisement. Nothing more. A lure to draw in ignorant people that don’t know better.
It’s an advertisement.
And we all know that advertising is frequently misleading. They’re liars. Call them what they are.
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That’s one of the many lies they tell to try and appear like reasonable people.
Of course it’s Crowder at the forefront of this - the narcissistic manchild who was caught on-camera being such a vile piece of shit to his eight-month-pregnant then-wife that even his biggest simps couldn’t pretend that it was defensible.
I’m baffled by America sometimes. The man is CLEARLY in the wrong, like he is being such a piece of shit on camera, but republicans are like: yeah poor guy, his wife left him, we should prevent that!!
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This is no more than a sad, small man whining about how he wants more control over a woman. It’s truly pathetic.
The first governor to sign no-fault divorce into law was Ronald Reagan.
As my mom would say: what a pud!
And conservative keep applauding these wackos.
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My question is what will they try to do when all of a sudden women are less willing to get married in the first place?
They’ll do what a lot of people who vote right-wing (not all) do now. Act controlling, and try to stop them from talking to other guys.
In my case, had an ex-husband swerve at me when I was driving. Dating another woman who the guy has managed to fully isolate from her original friendgroup including myself. He’s dropped statements to her such as mentioning he knows where I live, etc. Had another, who decided to threaten me mafia style
Or, ban abortion (which they have already tried to do), so they’re forced to carry their kids. At this point of time, surely any guy voting for MAGA (at the very least) should be considered a huge red flag.
And amongst all that, they’ll keep blaming everyone else for anything they can
They’re already in support of child marriages.
They will try to push legislation and cultural norms that pressure women indirectly into marriage. They will try to make being a single woman less pleasant of an experience. Shame them culturally, cutting funding for single mothers, making childcare more expensive, making workplaces more hostile for women to work in, etc.
Many of these things are already in the works by conservatives, they will continue pushing them forward.
Imagine telling on yourself how much someone wouldn’t want to spend their life with you like this
Doesn’t this go both ways?
I’d imagine there are a lot of women who would be happy to leave their husbands.
Crowder isn’t trying to get an easy divorce from his wife. Hes trying to keep his wife from divorcing him (may already have, I dunno). Its an attempt to lock people into abusive relationships
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I mean, I don’t think that this is a bad thing. People can date and break up as much as they want. Getting married should be seen as something very serious that isn’t easily broken.
I know not everyone has the same experiences, but I’ve seen people treating marriage as throw away and it deeply impacts their children.
No, it’s a bad thing because without no-fault divorce laws someone could very easily be trapped in an abusive relationship with no recourse.
Doesn’t no-fault mean that either party can get a divorce for any reason?
Am I misunderstanding what “no-fault” means here?
Maybe?
From the Wikipedia:
Fault-based grounds usually include mental cruelty, but true mental cruelty has a psychological component that can make it very difficult for the abused spouse to articulate that abuse. More to the point, the abused spouse may be terrified to describe the relationship on paper and testify about it in a court. And of course, a controlling partner will always choose the path of most resistance to whatever it is that the other spouse wants.[14]
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Read the article. Republicans are against no fault divorce, so they want the man to have to approve in order for his wife to divorce him. It’s a way to enslave women.
I mean then why did she marry him? Maybe people should date longer instead of rushing into marriage.
No human institution, agreement, or connection will ever be free of both bad actors and blameless mistakes, so there must be a way to end such things in order to preserve life, dignity, and happiness.
Our institutions are created to serve us as people, not to bind us for the sake of being binding.
Or just don’t get married to people with red flags. They are usually very obvious and willfully ignored. We need to stop allowing people to hand wave consequences.
Yeah for your God’s sake and ours keep staying a virgin brother thanx for listening
I have 8 kids.
Of course
They can prove abuse, as mentioned in the article. It shouldn’t be hard if they are being abused.
Abuse should not be necessary to end a marriage. I hope that is obvious.
I…
Wow.
Just curious, but… why do you think no-fault divorce got signed into law in the first place? And do you really think abuse is always “obvious”?
Like, yeah, sometimes it’s black eyes and broken bones, but a lot of abuse is much more subtle and hard to prove. Even setting that aside (and let me be clear: we absolutely should not set it aside), shouldn’t people be able to get out of a marriage before it racks up hospital bills?
I’m married. If, at any point, my wife felt unsafe around me, I would expect her to leave. At that point, I would have violated the sanctity of our marriage, and she shouldn’t have to fucking prove it to anyone, me included.
Researchers who tracked the emergence of no-fault divorce laws state by state over that period found that reform led to dramatic drops in the rates of female suicide and domestic violence, as well as decreases in spousal homicide of women. The decreases, one researcher explained, were “not just because abused women (and men) could more easily divorce their abusers, but also because potential abusers knew that they were more likely to be left.”
We’ll just ignore this, then?
Well, yeah. They have to ignore that part, or else they’re obviously the assholes here.
It is very easy to end up in a relationship that makes you miserable and your partner treats you badly. But this won’t be always the case in the beginning of your relationship. It may come 5 or 25 years later. Then what?
This is one of many situations in which I would say: before we start trying to reduce something by restricting it, have we tried all (or any) options for reducing it by giving people better options.
Also, to be frank, I don’t understand why it’s my business your yours if third parties get in and out of marriages flippantly. I don’t expect others to get married in my faith tradition, why should it matter to me if they get married by an Elvis impersonator every Saturday night?
If it’s about kids, the solutions should be about helping kids with divorced parents. Because keeping those particular parents from getting divorced is doing those poor kids no favors.
You say that like unmarried people can’t have kids and people who don’t have kids can’t get married. Yknow, exactly like crowder the situation at hand?
You say that now, but next they’ll be coming for premarital cohabitation and eventually we’ll be back to fathers literally selling their daughters as brides as chattels through the mechanism of arranged marriages they can’t terminate.
You’re mistaking a perfect world with the world that we live in.
Did the lobotomy hurt? You should do an AMA.
It may surprise you that people are allowed to have different opinions and come to conclusions based on their own experiences. Insults don’t really affect or sway anyone’s opinions, nor do they silence those you deem ineligible of thought.
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Bingo
