- cross-posted to:
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- cross-posted to:
- main@sh.itjust.works
cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/1823812
This is an update to my previous post about suspicious inactive accounts on a handful of instances: (https://sh.itjust.works/post/998307).
I ended up messaging the admins at the 16 instances show in the attached image. I pointed out their wild user numbers, and referenced the lemmy.ninja post detailing how that instance scrubbed suspicious accounts from their user database.
6 admins responded. They had all noticed the odd accounts and either thought the numbers were wrong, or weren’t sure how to purge the suspicious accounts without nuking their databases. In the end they managed to delete a combined total of about 338k dormant accounts from their instances. (One of the instances seems to have gone down since then.)
I never received a reply from the other 10 instance admins, though 8 of those 10 instances appear to be down (as of 27 July 2023). 2 instances are still up and unchanged.
Between the actively removed accounts and the downed instances, this represents a loss of 930,004 inactive Lemmy accounts!
You can see the drop in the graphs on The Federation. The total number of Lemmy accounts has been cut in half over the past 3 weeks, from a peak of 2.18M to today’s 1.09M. The change is mostly from these 16 instances.
I have to admit, I did not expect such a large change when I started this! Hopefully this bodes well for Lemmy’s future as a place where actual humans interact, rather than a cesspool of automated comments and upvote/downvote brigading.
That’s all I have for now. Keep your stick on the ice; we’re all in this together.
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Great to see the transparency with which this is handled
The transparency may be my very favorite part of Lemmy. It’s almost feels like these people are invested in it’s success instead of it’s profit.
It’s a very early internet mindset where success == profit.
Open source vs we’re a business mentality
Early internet grassroots collaboration stuff.
Thank you for your work!
Those are crazy numbers… WTF?
If that’s is the reality for Lemmy, I can’t imagine the number of bots giant social networks have. Crazy.
Thank you for your work.
That’s the thing, right? Those giant networks’ admins surely know how inflated their userbase is. They surely know that a lot of the activity is bot faked/manipulated.
But since the end goal of those networks is generate traffic to sell something (ads, user data), they never purge the bots. They need fake engagement. They might even promote it. The human user is just being used (Cf. Stallman’s use of this term).
I work on a team that runs the web presence for a very large international music label and we postulate that 75-80% of all traffic we do at any time is bots, crawlers, and security scans. With caching in place most of the time our system hums along quite happy. It’s only when we get an influx of ACTUAL people do things go south. [Max database connections, firewall usage pegs and stops responding, edge nginx process OOMs itself, ect.]and
also you wouldn’t believe the amount of fake content that gets loaded into these wordpress pages. years of phony content and news and pictures.
Well, thanks for being part of the problem.
Very nice, let’s try to keep this place as clean as possible
I want to celebrate two things. 1. Your awareness of the potential dangers looming over the fediverse. 2. Your proactive attitude curtailing the problem at its root. From one human to another, thank you!
If the women don’t find you handsome, they’ll at least find you handy.
- Red Green
Found the Canadian eh?
Thank you for your efforts to keep this place clean and civil, and especially for the transparency in describing how you’ve dealt with such annoyances. You have my respect.
You have my sword.
And my ass!
Are you really a bot?
No that’s been my nickname for 15 years
Cool!
Sounds like something a bot would say.
Yeah, I’m sure a bot would use it’s critical thinking skills and out itself as such.
WOOO!
Thanks for keeping Lemmy healthy. ❤️
>actual humans interact, rather than a cesspool of automated comments and upvote/downvote brigading.
Thank you! That’s why I left the other place. You’re doing God’s work, anon.
Amazing and thank you!
Unfortunately no website is safe from the cancer of AI/bots. The Internet is truly in trouble.
That’s actually really interesting. What’s the purpose of so many inactive accounts at once?
Seems to be enough to have a few of them, and not a million accounts since it clearly will rise suspicion… :)
Very good that you found them. Fascinating.
Maybe an attempt to try and make the fediverse look more active than it was back then, to get headlines about how it has explosive growth etc. It was June and everything really took off then.
> What’s the purpose of so many inactive accounts at once?
That really is the million dollar question. I don’t know. My fear is that they were intended to sit unnoticed until someone had a malicious use for them. Maybe to mass upvote/downvote certain content to make it more visible. Or to become active at an opportune time to make divisive posts and comments. I saw many accounts like that on Reddit; they show no activity for years and then suddenly come alive and spew garbage. I’m sure we’ll see some of that on Lemmy next year since there will be a major election in the US. Though hopefully less since a bunch of suspicious dormant accounts are now gone.
It’s a smart move for a spammer to create a lot of accounts in the early days of a platform, before more restrictive signups with mail verification, phone verification or captchas are in place. Look at how difficult it has become to register on Twitter or Facebook.
I’m thinking of making inactive accounts so I can create communities on other instances. I wanna make an old trek community on the Star Trek instance, but I wanna moderate it from this instance. So I would make an account, make the community, and transfer ownership.
Could be as simple as reserving popular usernames too.
Just spin your own instance. Then you’ll have complete control.
But I think putting all the Star Trek content on one instance is a neat idea and I want to participate in that idea
You can still do that in your own instance.
I can still make a community on the star trek instance from my own instance? How?
Perhaps something akin to this, sleeper cells for some nefarious purpose, e.g. influencing elections.
Awesome work, and thank you for all of this, it is appreciated!
Looks like a bunch of personal instances that forgot to turn off self-registration. The down ones likely crumbled under the load
We need to find a way to get indexed on Google, Duckduckgo and other search engines.
Probably happening to some degree already, unless no robots is checked. No way lemmy jumps as high as reddit in seo for random things for a long while
Naa…I think instance admins have to let the crawlers index the content. Not sure if Admins have enabled it
A major advantage of the old place was that you could search up keywords and find a discussion on it. When I wasn’t browsing, the other times that I’d end up using it was for when I needed to look stuff up.
I’m not sure what the pros cons ratio is though.
