• PonyOfWar@pawb.social
    25·
    3 months ago

    I use Organic Maps regularly and I’d love to get rid of Google Maps eventually, but they don’t really fulfill the same purpose to me. It’s awesome for hiking (which Google Maps is useless for) but meh for Navigation and almost useless for finding information about shops, restaurants etc in an area.

    • florge@feddit.uk
      9·
      3 months ago

      Magic Earth is pretty good for navigation. But yeah OSM is pretty lacking in info about places, whenever I can I try to add details.

      • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
        15·
        3 months ago

        This is simply because

        1. Google has an OS
        2. The OS has the map app preinstalled
        3. Everyone has an account
        4. You are nagged to add info about POIs afaik, even by shop owners

        Meanwhile OSM has nothing. OpenPlaceReviews is confusing as heck. There is no centrally available image host (and you cant just upload insane amounts of data like videos of everything, like on Google).

        Things that could lift OSMAnd (which is more poweful but also more confusing and slower than OM) to those standards:

        1. “Just upload a photo” to some host.
        2. A review system that works
        3. API integration for public transport services like DB. Those already do navigation really well, but no routing directions etc.
        • Somewhiteguy@infosec.pub
          2·
          3 months ago

          I fully understand your points, but I’m just going to put these here since it’s not as simple as “be google” in the FOSS community.

          “Just upload a photo” to some host.

          Not everyone has access to just “some host” or wants to deal with the hassle of their TOS, and a FOSS host has the issue of longevity. Data storage and bandwidth all cost money, and if it’s not consistently coming in, then you have an issue. I always wondered if registering as a non-profit and then getting hosting as that would change things, but I don’t believe so. These big companies and ISPs don’t care too much about servicing without monies. Distributed to the users is also out (see Napster, Limewire, most torrents).

          A review system that works

          Yeah, humans are messy, and people like to spam things with bots because they can. Review systems are hard in general and they would work consistently if ANYONE had them figured out. It’s in everyone’s best interest for them to, but even with removing bots, it doesn’t remove people making new accounts and paying for them to be filled with garbage (see Amazon). It’d be nice to know you can trust all of the reviews, but there is just no true way. Once you found a way, the spammers, bots, and scammers would all start using that one thing and you’re back to square one.

          API integration for public transport services like DB. Those already do navigation really well, but no routing directions etc.

          Oh, how sweet this would be, if all public transportation services had a consistent API structure. I want this so bad for when I travel, but every town hires a new developer, who has their own idea of what the “standard” should be. To keep all of these APIs straight and updated would be a full time career and team surprisingly enough. That’s just for the municipalities that have it available. I want this over everything else. If we could just get everyone to agree to a basic standard so we can have a base standard for API calls to these municipalities, that would be great and give people more access to basic necessities wherever they are.

          I say all of this, not to crap on your post. I have the same thoughts and wants all the time in the OSS side of the world. I use OSMand when it doesn’t crash, or not have data and I don’t have time to update things in the moment. I just try to keep supporting the things that I know I can and work around the quirks of them not being a billion dollar company with thousands of employees. I contribute where and when I have time. It’s drops in the ocean, but it’s something.

  • Arsecroft@lemmy.sdf.org
    5·
    3 months ago

    I have tried organic maps for a bit, i like it, but the lack of geocoding made it not very useful to me.

    Generally I want to plug in an address and navigate to it. Is that just a lack of data in my area?

    • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.com
      5·
      3 months ago

      Sounds like you dont have much data in your area. Organic maps draws from openstreetmap iirc, the same as apple maps i believe. That would be something you can work on.