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    Americans are upset, just politicians are afraid to lose their annual bribes if they talk outside of church.

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      The other side gives bribes too. The only difference is that Israel has a stronger lobby and a bigger pot to finance their payoffs.

      This will never end until we get the money out of politics.

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        Wait, what’s the other side that pays folks to free Palestine? Honest question, because if they exist, they sure are doing a shit job.

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    They responded to this in the past: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/israel-west-bank-and-gaza-travel-advisory.html

    This kind of thing is entirely predictable and US citizens have been warned by the State Department about there being an active conflict happening in the area.

    So a US citizen died while ignoring a travel advisory from the US government. US citizenship doesn’t make someone invincible, and it doesn’t mean the US military is going to avenge your death (or whatever fantasy you can come up with) if you’re deliberately ignoring the warnings about an area of the world being dangerous. The obligation of protecting citizens was fulfilled by issuing the warning.

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      There is no legal obligation to protect citizens. Is there an ethical obligation? Kind of no, for reasons you listed, but kind of yes, because the cause of death was predictable and it’s something in the US has partial control over.

      From a practical standpoint, we all agree that the US won’t do anything, because they certainly aren’t worried about pacifists in war zones where one of the sides is getting its weapons from the United States.

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        Although there are a bunch of ways the US can apply pressure. I think people overestimate the power ceasing weapon sales would have. While I believe it is the ethically right thing to do. It wouldn’t really hinder Israel’s ability to wage this war. It is allowing them to maintain their very vast stockpiles. But they could probably go years without even getting low, much less running out, without external weapons.

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        Yeah a country has an ethical obligation to protect it’s citizens. Which is why countries issue travel advisories. If you ignore the warnings your country is giving you, that ethical obligation doesn’t apply because it was already fulfilled by the warning.

        “Don’t go over there, it’s dangerous!”

        “Screw you, I’m not listening to you!”

        Problem happens.

        “Why did you allow this dangerous thing to happen???”

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    Democrats are limp wristed when it comes to Israel. Expect more death, they won’t raise a finger to stop it. Republicans aren’t any better.

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      Both sides huh? Last I heard the Democrats are negotiating a peace treaty and the Republikkklowns are writing finish them on the bombs.

      What’s your angle?

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        Amazing how that it’s already done peace deal still isn’t done. Almost like dems and bibi don’t care about getting it done

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          The US has presented 3 separate peace deals that everyone has accepted but Netanyahu has sabotaged at the last minute. That is not the fault of “the Dems”.

          At the same time, Republicans have yet to do anything but cheer on the genocide in Gaza and the violence in the West Bank.

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            Why would Israel do anything if they can keep going and have no consequences?

            Notice how many othet administrations, including Republicans, have managed to reign in Israel. Yet all this one does is well let me wag my fingers harder

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            The US has presented 3 separate peace deals that everyone has accepted but Netanyahu has sabotaged at the last minute.

            Because Netanyahu knows he’ll keep getting his genocidin’ weapons no matter what he does.

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              There are Republicans in Congress voting to authorize those packages, too.

              And still no Republicans calling for peace or trying to get Netanyahu to accept the terms of the peace deals, nor Republicans decrying the genocide in Gaza or the West Bank…

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                Congratulations on having two parties that vote for the policies you support. Not getting how that is some sort of comeback to my assertion that Netanyahu is getting the weapons no matter what he does.

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                  You know the deal. You know what’s happening, I asked what’s your angle and you seem to refuse to answer that. I’ll give you a quick ELI5, Iran will run roughshot over the middle east if there isn’t someone there to keep them inline. Israel is that someone. If you don’t see that, you’re either wearing blinders, or you’re a bad actor.

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          The lobbyists getting fat and rich off their layouts from weapons manufacturers will ensure it never gets done. Who do you think Israel is getting all their guns and drones and missiles from? Guess what? It’s the same place Hamas gets theirs from. The only difference between them is the number of bank accounts and off-the-books deals on the way there.

          Those bombs will keep flowing to both sides as long as money keeps flowing back. Ideology has nothing to do with it. It’s all about the cash.

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          I love your blaming the dems as the world sits by. It’s wild how the dems are more powerful than world combined. Weird almost.

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            The rest of the world combined isn’t funneling billions of dollars worth of weapons into the conflict.

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              The 10 year weapons deal signed in 2016? You do you, I’ll blame Israel for the genocide and the rest of the world that isn’t pushing for a peace treaty like the US currently is.

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                Let me get this straight. Liberals are now, unironically, using international law as a defense for being the primary arms supplier of a literal genocide. And that’s supposed to be an excuse to vote Blue MAGA.

                Lmao

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                I have no idea why you keep bringing up that particular deal. It’s not like it’s the only or even last deal the US has signed.

                The US hasn’t stopped. The US went out of its way to ensureassure Israel that there wouldn’t even be any delays in shipments.

                The US is blatantly enabling genocide and it’s currently headed by the Biden administration.

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                  I’ll lay out for you since you seem to be struggling, that or you have some form of narrative you’re trying to push, but you wouldn’t be doing that right?

                  Israel is committing a genocide that the US is trying to get a cease fire/peace treaty for. That’s more than the rest of world but you don’t care because??? Narrative? Without support to Israel, Iran would run roughshot through the middle east killing more people and causing bigger problems. That’s why the world hasn’t stepped in and stomped Israel. It’s like the world is playing chess and you’re playing tic tac toe.

                  Save your bullshit response. There’s nothing else to be said.

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                The 10 year weapons deal signed in 2016?

                The Leahy Law prohibits selling weapons for genocide. Keep ignoring this because it’s something you don’t want to hear and call me a foreign shill some more. Lying in support of genocide is all centrists do.

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                  10 U.S. Code 2249 section b:

                  Exception.—The prohibition in subsection (a)(1) shall not apply if the Secretary of Defense, after consultation with the Secretary of State, determines that the government of such country has taken all necessary corrective steps, or if the equipment or other assistance is necessary to assist in disaster relief operations or other humanitarian or national security emergencies.

                  I don’t have a degree in political science, and I’m not a lawyer but there’s the answer to your Leahy Law, but the last three words should sum it up. It also is talking about aid and not an existing contract. The more you know right?

                  You keep saying I support genocide, this is false and an outright lie. I’ve said over and over I do not support a genocide, not the one in Israel, China, or Ukraine. You’ve only mentioned Israel and you blame the US. What I find the most odd is this talk has been going on for a while. “Genocide Joe” that was the talking point, all you saw, everywhere. Genocide Joe. Then, Joe Biden drops out and SILENCE. No more talk of genocide for days. Nothing. Now everyone got their bearings straight and here we are again with all the “people” talking about the US and the dems fault for the genocide.

                  Why was there a break when Joe Biden dropped out? A real head scratcher isn’t it?

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    Biden will wag his finger at Bibi, and give him $1 bil less the next round of funding. Boy is that gonna sting .

    /s

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    As the Zionist elite are the real owners of America, I think nothing will happen.

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    Protesting in a war zone of a foreign country on the side that started it and knowing how Israel is executing a genocide is a whole new level of stupid.

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        I don’t support any genocide. I support a cease fire/peace treaty, something you don’t seem to understand or support, but narrative amirite?

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          I don’t support any genocide. I support a cease fire/peace treaty, something you don’t seem to understand or support, but narrative amirite?

          As long as we keep selling Netanyahu weapons, he will continue committing genocide. He’ll keep stringing us along by making positive cooing noises about wanting peace, and then yank the football away at the last moment.

          You want to keep pursuing something that you know will never work. Netanyahu isn’t interested in peace. He’s interested in continuing the genocide that keeps him in power.

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    If the US stopped taking sides in this ass conflict, maybe the corrupt fuckers running the war from both sides would have a harder time profiting from it and knock it the fuck off.

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      both sides

      Those greedy Palestinians, getting genocided like that. Can you believe them?

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    Funny that just last week an American was shot in the head, executed by Hamas, and there wasn’t an Intercept article mentioning it. Maybe it’s just not fashionable to be outraged about it, and it wouldn’t get enough clicks.

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      Are you actually claiming there was no media coverage of the murdered hostages?

      There is a very good argument that the role of non mainstream news sources, like the Intercept, it to shed light on the news that mainstream media doesn’t raise.

      If the CNN was blasting 24 hours the news about this American being shot, I’m pretty sure the Intercept would not bother either.

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        Just an observation on the nature of media and events. The Intercept is hardly mainstream. Instead of reporting facts it produces outrage purposed dribble, and this is a good example. In this case, those facts are not determined, and the US State Department is seeking them. That’s the way CNN reported it anyway. Should this turn into an Ashli Babbitt situation, the Intercept will not report it and it will not be here because it won’t suit the fashionable narrative.

        On a side note, I wonder what this story has to do with US Politics. Although I do see a mod in the string who should be able to explain that, but probably won’t

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      “Why don’t you ever talk about the deaths centrists aren’t happy about?!”

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        I would hope that if you are any kind of US citizen, you would not be happy about it either. There are forest and trees, but you only see one.

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          We only fund one of these warring terrorist groups. Do not see that difference?

          Our taxes paid for the killing of a US citizen.

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            So the Intercept is triggering you with this death for a purpose of government funding, while ignoring the other? IDK which is worse and it is what I said originally. Shame these young people died, but in one case we know what happened, but in this case we don’t.

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              so you dont see the difference between us killing one of our own and someone else doing it?

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                Both are dead.

                We didn’t kill anyone. We don’t know the facts, that’s why the US State Department is investigating.

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                  US State Department is investigating waiting for idf to investigate.

                  It’s almost been a year of Israel indiscriminately killing in the area and the state department still refuses to do an investigation. Still waiting for Israel to investigate themselves.

                  But yeah sure. We’re totally gonna do something other than fund and supply weapons

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              So the Intercept is triggering you with this death

              Just ignore it if it makes Netanyahu look bad!

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              We know exactly what happened, the US is just using delay tactics. Why are you upset that people are upset about the extrajudicial killing of an American Citizen by a foreign State. The IDF has killed so many American Citizens already, on top of you know, the genocide.

              American-Turkish human rights activist Aysenur Ezgi Eygi, 26, succumbed to her wounds on Friday after being shot in the head by Israeli forces during a weekly protest against settlement expansions in the West Bank, according to Palestinian Authority-run news outlet Wafa.

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          I’m not. I’m also not cynically using it to whatabout in favor of a genocidal apartheid state like you’re doing.

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            All of a sudden by questioning the Intercept I’m supporting some state? That line of logic just doesn’t exist.

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                I was making mention of publishing one story and ignoring another. The Intercept only wants to trigger you, and it looks like they were successful

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                  You were whining that the intercept isn’t running articles you would prefer to see and instead running articles you don’t want anyone to ever know about.

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      People expect terrorists to shoot innocent people in the head. They don’t accept it when people claiming to fight terrorists shoot innocent people in the head.

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        Ask a Palestinian in the West Bank if they think Hamas are terrorists or freedom fighters.

        “Terrorist” is a thought-terminating cliche.

        Both Israel and Hamas are religious extremists who exploit and murder innocent civilians. Neither one is worthy of our aid or our defense. Send aid to the poor people caught in the middle of this shit and stop sending weapons.

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          The question isn’t why Palestinians aren’t reporting on Hamas killing someone, the question is why isn’t the West reporting on it.

          Hamas killing someone is expected behavior.

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          Weapons. That’s the connection.

          The US sends vast arsenals to Israel and Israel uses those weapons for genocide and other war crimes.

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            This woman was killed with small arms fire. The US does not supply such weapons or ammo to Isreal.

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              If you look hard enough you can always find a nit to pick.

              When there are billions of dollars of heavy weapons pounding the entire area to dust, it’s completely disingenuous to talk about who paid for a particular bullet or gun.

              The entire operation is heavily subsidized by US military donations.

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                A rational person would surmise that if the weapon wasn’t US supplied she would have been shot in any case and weapons supplied by the US has nothing to do with the fact this is not about US politics.

                But, the outrage machine doesn’t look at facts.

                They simply deal with hyperbolic nonsense, like your last sentance.

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                  A rational person would take the information in context. The shooter was not acting in isolation. The shooter was part of an organized military that is heavily subsidized by the US government.

                  What’s hyperbolic about the last sentence? It’s an easily demonstrated fact that the US sends billions of dollars in military aid to Israel. It’s an easily verified fact that this is a large portion of Israel’s military budget.

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      That’s outrageous. We should immediately stop funding Hamas.

      No more weapons packages.
      No more military funding.
      The Gerald R. Ford Carrier Strike Group should stop supporting them now.