Oregon lawmakers send ranked choice voting proposal to November 2024 ballot - KTVZ
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The Oregon Legislature on Sunday's final day of the session passed House Bill 2004, which puts a proposal to move to ranked choice voting for federal and statewide races on the statewide ballot in November 2024.
  • snooggums@midwest.socialEnglish
    216·
    2 months ago

    I am all in favor of ranked choice voting.

    What will suck is the states slowest to adopt will be the red state that are 100% Republican electoral college votes while the blue statss will dilute their electoral college. The destination is worth it, the journey will drag on and on.

    • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
      4·
      2 months ago

      ?

      I don’t think we are real close to third party candidates winning the whole state in a federal election. What this is producing, in the short run, is a way for third parties to gain some traction in the federal election without producing a spoiler effect which fucks up everything and sends everyone running back into the arms of the 2 mostly horrible options that are the current menu

      That, and genuine choice and sensible voting for all the statewide and local offices, which is not a small immediate benefit

      In the long run it is producing a proof of concept for something other than the FPTP awfulness, including but definitely not limited to the possibility of introducing a better voting system federally once people are happy with and accustomed to a better model and it’s not some weird untested thing. That might lead to genuine representation of the people even in our federal election system if it goes further

      I won’t say you are completely wrong about a medium term future where the third party gains so much traction that they win the whole state in a presidential election and create a spoiler effect. That could happen. But the potential gains and avoiding a bunch of other failure modes in the current system to me are a vast improvement and not undone by the existence of that one very specific and very temporary failure mode

      • BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        OP didn’t say anything about third party candidates? You make some good points but not really related to what OP said.

        They said the changes are more likely to be adopted by democrat states before republican states. That does have a lot of potential implications, including the ones raised but supporting the change is not the same as supporting or considering all the potential implications.

        • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
          2·
          2 months ago

          What do you believe ranked choice voting is?

          Unless I’ve missed something very fundamental, RCV is not related to what electoral votes go up to the federal election unless third party candidates are involved. A ranked choice election between 2 candidates is the same as a FPTP election.

          Right? I feel like I’m not the one missing something here.

          democrat states

          Ooooh

          Okay, it makes a little more sense now why you and the parent comment might be inducing a pointless and confusing argument here, and a reason why not to do RCV, based on logic that doesn’t hold up…

          IDK, tell me if I’ve missed something, but I think I just realized what’s going on.