Audre Lorde
“I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very different from my own.“
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My response to that asinine argument is and remains: so the fuck what if they’d kill me? You think that makes them special? I grew up in the deepest red hellhole you can imagine, plenty of people there would want me dead for being queer too. Is it suddenly fine to war crime my entire home town?
Is it suddenly fine to war crime my entire home town?
Depends, are there lots of black people there and/or is it called “Tulsa”?
Oppressed people support other oppressed people.
It’s called solidarity, sweaty.
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People who say things like this are erasing all the LGBTQIA+ people in Palestine; but even if there were somehow no queer people there (impossible), nothing excuses a genocide.
I saw a map with comments by LGBTQIA+ Palestinian people. I think I saved it, I’ll see if I can find and post it here.
Edit: Found it.
From queering the map.
Thanks for sharing this, I wasn’t aware of its existence. I wish it had an (optional) app though; for some reason it loads very slowly on my phone.
It loads very slowly on my desktop PC as well. I suspect it ended up getting more volume than anticipated.
Absolutely heartbreaking…
I will happily stand up for the basic human rights of people who may despise me. They’re rights.
Even if someone thinks I’m awful, that doesn’t mean it’s ok to wipe them out. If they start harming people then it is appropriate to handle that however is prudent but I believe that people ought not be tried, convicted, and executed in someone’s head.
Besides, solidarity has a marvelous tendency to build bridges.
There’s lgbtq people in Gaza. Nevermind civilians from any country shouldn’t be starved or killed because of the actions of a few. Collective punishment is wrong no matter who it happens too.
Why of course, I sure can’t wait until Israelis genocide Palestinians and finally make the region way more LGBT-friendly, God bless. 🫡
I do have to wonder what do people who claim things like these think of LGBTs who participate in right-wing political parties in the west. Are they bothered by such hypocrisy too?
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I find it amazing that not only was the original comment not removed but that this person wasn’t banned from blahaj.zone for it.
i’m a bit concerned for the moderation on this community specifically lately. i understand it’s a difficult and thankless task but hoping it improves 🤞
fortunately i was able to get some rhetorical content out of this disturbing take lol
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ugh im sorry i swear i reported this but i must have forgot or failed to send. i made a whole post dunking on it too my bad.
appreciate y’all. <3
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Remember folks, even though this person has just exposed themselves as the person being rightly mocked by OP, we shouldn’t brigade their comments.
At least I made a good response to their original post. Clowning on this comment since before it was popular 😎
all human lives have value
you say that but during the oceangate thing I saw the people on this community making memes saying that they hoped the people in the craft died in one of the worst ways possible (before it was revealed that they likely died painlessly)
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I agree that all human lives have value, I am just frustrated with this community’s seeming two-facedness
Ignoring the literal-ness of “all human lives have value”, equating billionaires to an ethic group enduring apartheid and genocide is a hell of a take…
“all human lives have value” doesn’t include “and you shouldn’t ever schadenfreude at rich idiots dying because of their folly”
People have value, people can also behave monsterously and it can be a good thing if they stop which can include dying.
Human lives don’t have infinite value, that would be a position that would mean killing someone on a murderous rampage would be just as bad as letting them kill forever.
Two things can be true:
- people should not be killed because of who they are and lives should be spared where possible
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- some people are harmful and it’s fine to want them to face some sort of consequences for that and/or die and stop being harmful.
There’s a difference between “it wouldn’t be so bad if they die” and “i hope they died in the worst way possible”. I think the former about quite a few people, but while there’s some fucked up part of me that delights in assholes getting what they deserve, I’m still not gonna celebrate someone going through torture.
Tbh I just don’t think the people upvoting this meme are likely the same people, i constantly see comments on here dehumanizing people for having backwards-ass views on things, which would be perfectly in line with saying the genocide is okay because many of the people affected hold similar views.
It’s obviously not, not just because that’s bound to not apply to everyone, but also because people can change and are a product of their environment.
I think the loss of life, including the oceangate thing, is sad.
I also think the obscenely rich are actively devaluing their own life through their greed, versus this case where people are born into this situation. Some have a kinda ‘got what they deserve’ attitude for the first (also this community doesn’t always agree on how radical it is haha)
billionaire lives have no value
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I mean a big part of the conflict is absolutely religious extremism precluding the possibility of a unified Palestinian secular democracy. I don’t fully understand why some in the LGBT community seem to give Islam a pass on this.
no one is giving anyone a pass. it’s possible to condemn both genocidal violence and religious extremism.
hope this helps.
Oh absolutely. Netanyahu is legitimately evil and needs to be dealt with. But I have legitimately seen LGBT people on here defending Hamas as heroes and I just don’t get it. Indiscriminate rape and murder of civilians isn’t right when Hamas does it, or when Netanyahu does it.
when you see this call them the fuck out and report it. such defense of terrorism would be abhorrent and in violation of community/site rules.
but gtfo of my comments implying that condemning genocide and defending Hamas are at all the same. that is not the conversation being had.
im trying to be kind here but what you are doing right now is called astroturfing and it’s gross.
I think people are free to genuinely disagree on nuance. Though I believe we generally agree.
The issue is that people see the rise of Hamas as the reason democracy failed in Gaza, rather than the result of Netanyahu’s efforts to undermine every attempt at Palestinian democracy since the Oslo Accords. When attempts at peace were rejected by the occupying force that kept Palestinians imprisoned in their own lands, Palestinians lost faith that they’d ever see results from it. Hamas obtained Gaza because Israel refused to support the PLO and work towards a 2 state solution.
The fascists in Israel knew that by simply refusing to allow progress, they would empower regression towards hatred and terrorism. They knew the US wouldn’t do shit to pressure them properly during that critical window, because the US gives borderline unconditional support as long as Israel remains their ally. Judeo-fascists have done everything they could to steal autonomy away from Palestinians, so I see Israel as more responsible for Hamas than the Palestinian population.
They fed a monster for decades as an excuse to commit ethnic cleansing. If Israel wanted to avoid genocide, they should have fed those pushing for a two state solution. Their failure to do so has killed thousands of innocents and endangered the entire region. The focus must be on removing Israeli fascists and giving support to Palestinians, not giving support to Israelis and removing Palestinian fascists. Hamas can die by being starved, or by killing all Palestinians. Occupation probably wouldn’t work without a huge sacrifice of IDF soldiers, whereas starving Hamas of support would mostly cost money through the removal of settlements and returning land. We have benevolence or genocide, and I don’t see benevolence in the cards.
