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I was curious if there was any documentation on the UAP in Magenta, Italy that David Grusch mentioned in his interview. Per Grusch, a craft was recovered in Magenta, Italy in 1933 held by Mussolini’s government in 1944-1945 and then obtained by the US after the Vatican notified them of it’s existence.
I came across an article from January 2, 1933 about a meteor seen over Turin, Italy heading northeast towards Magenta, Italy.
“At a certain point therefore, in the direction of the Valentino park and somewhat above the line that the Turin hills mark on the horizon, a large luminous point appeared in the sky, shining with a vivid and very white light. The bright celestial mass, following a trajectory similar to that of shooting stars, but very long and streaking the blue with an incandescent streak, moved very quickly from south to north-east, i.e. following a path inverse to that of the sun and of the moon.”
The meteor then exploded near Monte Rosa, which is just north of Magenta, Italy. “the meteor exploded, flaked, divided into two or three radiant tongues, and then went out.”
Obviously, not much else to go on and the details of the alleged incident are already vague. But, it seemed like a possible match to the event to me. Full translated text via Google Translate below. Thoughts? I’m currently looking for other articles on the event.
Translation: "Shining meteor in the sky of Turin The Interesting Celestial Phenomenon - People’s Comments and Inferences
An interesting celestial phenomenon that is all the more remarkable as it occurred during the day, occurred in the sky above our city.
It could have been 5.10 or 5.15 pm and the day was very clear, as the sun had just started to set after a wonderful New Year’s day. Many people were out on the streets at that hour, going out for a walk or heading home after enjoying the clear winter afternoon in the avenues and gardens.
So many have had the opportunity to observe what happened in the clear atmosphere at the aforementioned hour. We describe the commode phenomenon noticed from Piazza Castello. At a certain point therefore, in the direction of the Valentino park and somewhat above the line that the Turin hills mark on the horizon, a large luminous point appeared in the sky, shining with a vivid and very white light. The bright celestial mass, following a trajectory similar to that of shooting stars, but very long and streaking the blue with an incandescent streak, moved very quickly from south to north-east, i.e. following a path inverse to that of the sun and of the moon.
Having reached a point roughly corresponding to the area located between the Monterosa hamlet and the cemetery, the meteor exploded, flaked, divided into two or three radiant tongues, and then went out.
A cry of amazement was raised by those who were able to notice the marvelous phenomenon, which lasted no more than two or three seconds.
And since yesterday was New Year’s Eve, the extraordinary celestial event was immediately interpreted as an excellent omen, as an auspicious manifestation for the whole of 1933.
Within the public after the event gave rise to the most fantastic comments, all auspicious, however, all marked by the most smiling optimism.
It has been said; this is the sign that a new era is beginning. The meteor blossomed above the Valentino, on the famous park which is almost the symbol of the city, and, crossing the whole center of Turin, it disappeared near the cemetery. So happiness or prosperity for the living Turinese, peace for the dead who will no longer be crucified for the discomfort and annoyance of loved ones left in the world.
The globe of fire then traveled the sky in an unusual direction, from midday to the East, Chloe in the opposite direction to the movement of the stars of the planets.
Its meaning is therefore clear… It announces a reversal in the course of events, we will not go blue towards the crisis and bad times but we will go backwards, we will return to well-being and abundance; from the declining noon it will rise to the radiant morning, as the star proceeded from southwest to east. Finally, it is surprising that it appeared on the first day of 1933, declared by the Pope the Holy Year for the nineteenth secular anniversary of the passion of Jesus Christ.
These and other things were heard yesterday evening and this morning around the city. And since we have no reason to deny these happy popular omens, we too welcome them without reservations, that good wishes - human and supernatural - are never too much for anyone."
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Additional newspaper article supporting this event out of Switzerland. On January 1, 1933 someone viewed a meteor from upper Engadin, Switzerland apparently facing South/Southwest. As well as from Niesen, Switzerland.
Translation:
"Upper Engadin The silver lining on New Year’s Day.
It was 5 p.m. I sat in my bay window and admired the magnificent symphony of colors of the setting sun. Gray clouds rimmed with gold drifted slowly toward the east; the sky, which looked dark blue between the clouds, was already studded with a few stars. The twilight slowly increased, the clouds disappeared behind the Bernina. It was 5:30 p.m. Suddenly a wonderful glowing white streak emerged from the west.
It seemed as if a silver ball was hovering over our valley, trailing a long, rocket-like tail. The light was as intense as that of a flare, blended white. Slowly, majestically, the meteor moved from west to east and suddenly burst into many small sparks over St. Moritz.
May this natural wonder be a good omen, may this silver lining finally bring us peace on earth. Then the bell rang for the night’s rest, and stillness reigned in the winter night.
Today I read in the “N.Z.Z.” that this meteor was also observed at the Niesen, whose intensity was so strong that the evening twilight was lit up as bright as day. — According to the estimates, the meteorite must have been hovering at least 20 km above the earth when it went out. EZ"
One more for you out of Switzerland. I had trouble translating it, so I won’t bother posting the gibberish, but it’s out of Samedan, Switzerland.
Spamming my post a bit more with an article from 2010, which suggests that a meteor was used as a cover for a UFO in the Lombardi region of Italy.
“In 1933, for example, a dispatch was drawn up which explicitly referred to an “unknown aircraft”. An object whose existence public opinion had to be kept in the dark. The implications were told by the ufologist Alfredo Lissoni, one of the leading experts on the subject in Italy. Based on the documents discovered, the ufologist explained that the Regime tried to minimize the facts by spreading the news that the Lombard skies had been crossed by the passage of a meteor.”
https://www.laprovinciadivarese.it/x-files-si-riapre-il-mistero-dellufo-di-sesto-calende-91535/
Translation: Home Home page X-Files, the mystery of the Sesto Calende UFO reopens
X-Files, the mystery of the Sesto Calende UFO reopens date 28 May 2010 Author of Red. 2017 reading time 2 minutes of reading
SESTO CALENDE On the trail of the Sesto Calende flying saucer hidden by the fascists. Thus Wednesday evening in prime time the popular television program of Italia1, «Mistero», hosted by Raz Degan and the former «Iena», Marco Berry, turned the spotlight on the partly abandoned sheds, at least those of Sesto, of Siae Marchetti of Vergiate and Sesto Calende. Yes, because over those warehouses, on which an important restructuring and redevelopment work has been underway for some time, hovers an extraordinary legend that the Mediaset program wanted to tell by accompanying it with a series of extraordinary documents.
In fact, dispatches and official communications dating back to the fascist period were disseminated, bringing to light a story as fascinating as it is suggestive. According to this reconstruction, in fact, inside the Siai Marchetti depot in 1933 the fascists transported a flying saucer, which had fallen in the Magenta countryside, to study it in depth. They hid it from the public eye for some time before moving to Germany. Furthermore, the conductors re-proposed an old filmed document, relating to Mussolini’s speech in Rome, dated 23 February 1941, during which the Duce made clear reference to a phantom presence of the Martians. Strange words, seemingly meaningless. Only apparently because thanks to some extraordinary documents that came to light in 2000, when Edda Ciano’s relatives disseminated them among ufologists after they came into possession of them, it was discovered that the Duce had repeatedly referred to alleged unidentified flying objects. In 1933, for example, a dispatch was drawn up which explicitly referred to an “unknown aircraft”. An object whose existence public opinion had to be kept in the dark. The implications were told by the ufologist Alfredo Lissoni, one of the leading experts on the subject in Italy. Based on the documents discovered, the ufologist explained that the Regime tried to minimize the facts by spreading the news that the Lombard skies had been crossed by the passage of a meteor. No one should have known that an unidentified object had fallen, attracting the attention of some witnesses who would have seen everything. According to the official dispatches, any testimony had to be concealed by recovering the aircraft as soon as possible. In short, the regime wanted to silence everything. So since 2000, thanks to the new documents in the possession of the experts, the skies of the province of Varese have returned to the center of attention of ufologists convinced that a flying saucer had been kept for a few days in 1933 in the deposit of the former Siae Marchetti. The fascinating story about the alleged fascist x-files and the numerous sightings that took place in the skies of the province of Varese went on for about half an hour. After all, the mystery, having never dissolved, continues to hover legendary over Sesto and Vergiate.
One more location update from central Switzerland. This object was viewable in a diameter of at least 160miles/257km. And, the glow was bright enough from it to light up that entire area as bright as day. I’m hoping to find sightings out of Genoa, Italy to provide a better perspective of the direction it was heading and where it exploded.
This does not serve as any solid evidence of Grusch’s claims, as this could be explained by a meteorite/bolide. However, the timing and location would serve as a close match to what Grusch suggests.
https://zeitungsarchiv.nzz.ch/read/2758697/2758697/1933-01-04/2: Locked behind paywall
Translation: The New Year Meteor Zurich), Jan. 4. Reports are flooding in from Central Switzerland that on New Year’s afternoon at 5.15 a.m. a wonderful meteor was moving towards the Mythen in the direction West-East from the Niesen. It was seen in Spiez as well as in Einsiedeln almost on the same side at the given time. Its intensity was such that the dusk was lit up as bright as day. The train of the magnificent firefly could only be followed for a few seconds, since its speed was extraordinarily great. The magnificent spectacle was, according to unanimous reports, one of the most beautiful seen over the past few decades. According to the estimates, the meteor body must have been hovering at least 20 km above the earth when it died.