Cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/12956314
"I push back on doomism because I don’t think it’s justified by the science, and I think it potentially leads us down a path of inaction,” said Mann during a talk last Thursday at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
“And there are bad actors today who are fanning the flames of climate doomism because they understand that it takes those who are most likely to be on the front lines, advocating for change, and pushes them to the sidelines, which is where polluters and petrostates want them.”
it’s not that doomers are denying that it can be stopped. it’s just that, given the data an behaviour of people&politics, they don’t really see that it will be stopped
Yeah that’s my thing too - I have no doubt that scientifically it can be stopped - there’s even a real example with how crazy quickly nature started to recover during the COVID lockdowns - but it would require people to not be selfish, stupid assholes so it’s never gonna happen.
Well tbf, it will happen as the selfish stupid assholes die from climate change with everyone else
Doomers are nihilistic assholes. If you dont think the politics will do it, then fill your hands and do direct action to force them.
“Doomers” don’t think there is literally no way to stop it. They generally think that the people who can pull the lever will continue not to do so because they’ve resisted it for decades. It’s lack of faith in our collective will and dedication to action, not that there is no course of action that can stop it.
I can’t blame them. I still advocate for change and work towards it, but they’re not the problem. It’s climate change deniers and politicians who refuse to do anything about it.
Blame is being misdirected here as usual. Which contributes to why people are “doomers.”
You can pulll the lever. That’s my point. There are more people who want to stop the climate catastrophe than not.
We are many. They are few. Rise.
LOL I can’t even get people to eat LESS meat and ride bikes. You’re utterly delusional.
just popping in because this was reported - I would suggest being supportive of others who are trying to accomplish the same kind of things you are rather than calling them “utterly delusional”
As opposed to them calling the people who wants to do the same thing as them but feeling hopeless about our chances “nihilistic assholes”. I’m sure that’s a very supportive and productive thing to do.
Agreed! Giving up is giving in to oligarchs who have profited relentlessly off of our suffering and the defiling of our home. Stand up! It’s better to die on your feet fighting than on your knees, groveling to the rich while they pickpocket your dying corpse.
Climate apocalypse is here for us all. Wanton apathy and inaction leads only to guaranteed failure!
But politics is us. This is what democracy is all about.
The problem is the population at large still doesn’t understand the gravity of the situation.
That’s the same thing.
Those are different things.
Of course, that’s a political problem not a scientific one.
Yes but the outcome is just as bad.
Which I think bolsters the argument for anti-doomerism (yes, I’m making that a word now).