It’s tolerated in different ways. Ostracization and orchestrated mass downvotes are used rather than bans. .world utilizes methods of control that are more subtle than .ml. Which is consistent with how the CIA/West exerts control compared to China.

Our propaganda techniques and mechanisms of control are more multifaceted and less brutish and obvious - which isn’t a good thing. It means that we create a veil and drape it over the eyes of our people so that they don’t even realize that they are being controlled. This is the ideological state apparatus of the West that is drastically more effective than anything a socialist state has managed to create. Of course, we both have repressive state apparatuses as well, and our police are arguably more brutal than theirs (especially if you aren’t white and female), but there is less need to use that when you are able to brainwash your public so effectively with subtle acts of ideological correction. And convincing them that hundreds of strangers are mad at them is a good way to minimize dissent from being articulated in the first place, as well as distractions such as typical liberal rage bait and “red team bad” distractions

You asked me if the United States and China were moral equals.

If you intended to ask something else, then you should improve your ability to write clearly

How is the United States better given the entirety of its history and current oppression of the working class and minorities? We have a larger prison population than China despite having a far smaller population, and our quality of life has plummeted over the past 2 generations, whereas theirs has drastically improved over the same period

More importantly, why does any of that offend you to hear? You’re so patriotically brainwashed that you can’t tolerate criticisms of the US? Why would that be in a country that is supposedly free? If you’re being oppressed by American oligarchs, then you should want others to point out this oppression so that we can eventually reform our system

.world is a zionist and CIA-affiliated shillstorm. It’s just the US version of .ml

Both are equally bad because the US and China are equally bad. Don’t believe me? Check out the death toll of Native American genocide, transatlantic slavery, Latin american imperialism, CIA coups during the Cold War, police repression today, and current prison populations.

Given that I have no idea why anyone would defend the United States. Unless you’re brainwashed or working for the CIA

Winnie the Pooh

Isn’t this racist?

Also, remind me about Kent State. Or Ferguson. Or the extermination of Native Americans. Or concentration camps in the Philippines.

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.world does this all the time though, especially if you criticize Israel or Biden (or other CIA projects)

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The United States exterminated Native Americans and currently is a systemically racist country that murders its dissidents - see Kent State and Ferguson. It also has the largest prison population in the world.

it’d be on the corporations deciding to change narrative independently, not being forced to by the government.

That is incredibly naive

The only attacks on minorities that I’ve observed on here are attacks on those who think Gazans should not experience genocide.

Plenty of people on here who simp for the American ruling class though

It’s not conservatives. Conservatives aren’t on Lemmy.

It’s the majority of Democrats who now believe Israel is committing genocide. And who can’t afford housing or groceries

Israel’s intention is to resolve the Palestinian issue by exterminating the Gazans. They will then continue to ethnically cleanse the West Bank via illegal settlements and terrorism. Once that is completed, they will turn to Lebanon. This is Likud’s goal of creating Greater Israel, and will be accomplished with American funds and bombs for so long as AIPAC has power.

Biden and Trump will both facilitate this. Which will further erode American international influence and degrade the “rules based world order.” Which is a further symptom of the decline of the American empire. Which will negatively effect the longterm outlook of American citizens

Trump is worse than Biden. But Biden is permanently destroying Millenial and Zoomer view of the Democratic Party. Which means fascism will be elected in 2028 or 2032, if not in 2024

Did you vote in that primary to try and get a more progressive candidate? Have you worked to get your local community to support more progressive candidates in small offices, so they can eventually become high level candidates?

Yes, actually

The point is his career took twelve years and it was considered a meteoric rise, incredibly fast.

Right, because he was willing to be a corporate shill who happened to be generationally charismatic. Which is what Buttigieg tried (and failed) to replicate. And is what Bill Clinton successfully did in 1992 - though he had a longer career prior to that than either 08 Obama or 2020 Buttigieg

The system and ruling class are highly opposed to socialists. And are even opposed to social democrats like the Nordic countries or FDR. We live in an oligarchic empire in decline. Which means that fascism is unfortunately very likely in our lifetimes - if not via Trump in 2024, then likely via someone else in 2028 or 2032. The fact that we’ll soon be dealing with increased millions of climate refugees, both internationally and from gulf states like Florida, will only accelerate such devolution.

So telling people to vote harder is very insufficient. People are correct to be depressed and furious. Their futures are bleak - but not as bleak as the futures of their grandchildren

actual conservative voter support is still soft.

That is really not true at all. He is beloved by the base and is exactly what they want

Now SHOULD be different because we can talk. We can organize easier than ever.

And yet we are in the middle of a loneliness epidemic wherein people live highly atomized lives without a physical community. Which benefits the ruling class as it ensure that the working class does not organize - Which makes the recent unionization movements all the more impressive

We don’t have leaders, not really, and to truly stand together we need people who have the leadership and bold desire to pull us together

The intelligence agencies identify and eliminate such figures before they can arise if they actually represent a challenge to our current order. And have done so since the Counterintelligence Program that permitted the deaths of Malcolm X, MLK, etc. For a more recent example, check out how many of the Ferguson riots leaders are no longer alive. “Cancelling” (aka, reputational assassination) is also a tactic that is easily used, as well as Lawfare (Law+warfare) through the legal system, wherein targets are charged with insignificant or unrelated crimes to ensure they do not challenge the regime. Such as Eugene Debs.

Clearly something needs to be done and we should not ever lose hope. But we should also be very clear-eyed regarding the scope and scale of this challenge. The oligarchs will only share power if they are required to. Which was true under the monarchy, and is true now.

criticize some corporation or product that they seem to have attached their entire self-esteem to.

Which is also autism

Although US corporations use the same tactics as foreign/CIA public relations operations. Tribalism is profitable, as Fox News and Limbaugh proved, and can be applied to products and brands as well as political topics

Which is always how the Volk feel under a decayed capitalist society. And is what makes the transition to fascism easier to occur

users on this site that are immediately combative, stupid, petty, and assured of their moral righteousness

It’s just autism.

There’s no reason to assume foreign disinformation agents (which are real and are also here) when the most likely explanation for why so many users on a fringe internet forum are antisocial and combative is autism.

But if you know you need all the votes you can get, then your strategy should be to acknowledge and assuage the concerns of your base. Your strategy should not be to tell your base to shut up, to call them Russian agents, and to stop publicly talking about how the United States is arming and funding a genocide, for example

Biden has significant weaknesses that need to be acknowledged and addressed. Ideally through policy changes. But if not that, then through significantly better rhetoric than his admin/team/PR agencies are currently using.

Insulting your critics is the worst possible move, especially when their criticisms are real and valid. We’re not talking about people who believe Hunter Biden was the mastermind behind Pizzagate - We’re talking about the majority of registered Democrats who believe that Israel is committing a genocide with American money and bombs. And we’re also talking about the median American family who can no longer afford to keep up with the increases to the cost of living - let alone buy a house for the first time without parental support. These are real concerns and Biden deserves criticism for them - and, ideally, he needs to deliver policy that addresses these concerns