Is it okay to steal, if your child is hungry?

A friend and I were having a debate. Can I hear someone else’s opinion about this?
And please give me an explanation. If yes, why? If no, why? Thanks in advance 👍🏼

Multis
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Yes, stealing a bit of food is inconsequential compared to a life of human being

Travis Skaalgard
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Generally yes but it depends on several factors. If there were only one piece of food left in the world and you took it from someone else who also needed it, this would be a different question than lifting something from a multinational corporate-run store that is insured out the ass.

@blkpws
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If there is only one piece of food left, we are already dead. The reality is that we produce more food than we can eat.

Travis Skaalgard
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Lol I know, it was just the first hypothetical situation I could think of that could change the answer to this question.

@blkpws
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Yes but in reality, that case is impossible. We can have low resources but not a single meal. The problem is the capitalist system that forces people to work to eat and pay their home stuff instead to just do normal life. The food process is all automated but rich countries wastes food and throws them on trash instead to balance it, so I would say, steal anything you need to survive like eat or have a home, everyone deserves a decent life as a human. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

@AgreeableLandscape
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If someone needs to steal food to feed their children, it’s not a fault of them. It’s a symptom of society’s failure.

@youngbrett
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absolutely

no amount of food you could ever feasibly steal would match the 40% of food wasted in America

it is a failure of society for anyone to go hungry, not just a child, and there are many places you could steal from that will go completely unnoticed

@AgreeableLandscape
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I look at most thieves with sympathy rather than contempt.

Other than thieves like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk, of course. I’m talking about the kind police tend to kill on a power trip.

@cvieira
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I’d say if:

  • you don’t have the opportunity to work for it (stealing is the only option)
  • you aren’t stealing from a small business or market.
  • you’re stealing food based on nutrition, not something high end for better taste

then you’re completely ethically sound in my mind if you choose to steal.

poVoq
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Generally yes, but you should not fall into a mindset of protecting your family over everything else.

@Fakefunk
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It depends of who you’re stealing from. Another individual? No. But thankfully now we have big food distribution chains, that have impressive percentages of produce already accounted to be wasted at some point, so please take what you need in the supermarket.

@youngbrett
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40% wasted in America

steal from chains, there will be no consequences to any workers, you’ll have food, and they’ll still be a disgusting profit machine

@Echedenyan
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Like Mercadona in Spain to make a comparison.

They put locks in their rubbish and they throw food in good state not even passing the expiration date in some cases.

@ChinaNumberOne
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yes, death to capitalism

@stopit
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I don’t think I can answer this with yes or no. Firstly, stealing for necessity is different from stealing for greed, no question for me there. However…are all other options exhausted? Who are you stealing from? These things matter.

For me, stealing food from a corporate grocer because you have no other options should be forgiven. It also, ideally, shouldn’t be necessary (unfortunately I know this isn’t always true).

@downdaemon
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Stealing is fine no matter what, as long it’s not from another worker

@esi
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This is not a yes or no question essentially. It depends on a lot of factors. Who are you stealing from? how hungry is the child? are there no social services that can help in a situation like this in your country?

I would say the following, it is not okay to steal if your child is hungry, but it might be a necessery evil.

@jazzfes
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I wouldn’t call the act of taking food when you are hungry and can’t afford it as a “necessary evil”. Mostly because of the “evil” part. Isn’t the core problem that there is someone who is in a position where they are desperate regarding their child’s need to eat?

@esi
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Well, it is also evil that someone is hungry for sure. But that does not automatically give someone the permission to steal from someone else and potentially making someone else hungry. Like i said, it depends on a lot of factors. You can reduce the moral cost of this all depending on how you steal the food. For example dumpster diving is possibly illegal or in a gray area in many countries but there’s almost no “moral cost” for that. On the opposite end of that gradient would be stealing from another child. Which would have a really high moral cost.

@jazzfes
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In my opinion it is pointless and somewhat wrong to discuss permission when there is hunger. I think there are various ways to look at this:

  1. If someone faces the choice between punishment for stealing and hunger for not stealing, punishment cannot be used as a deterrent. Because the person is in a bad situation regardless.

  2. If someone who is hungry steals from someone else who is hungry, I feel likewise, there is little point in laying blame, since the situation is extreme and either way not resolved positively (i.e. whether the stealing happens or not).

  3. If the hunger situation is caused (actively or by omission) by others, society or some process, I do feel very strongly that this cause would have to take the blame for both hunger as well as any resulting crimes, damages or unmoral outcomes. For instance, that dumpster diving is illegal would be a highly unmoral law from that perspective.

Hunger is an extreme situation and while this would not justify everything, anyone not in that situation should from my POV have the understanding, pragmatism and compassion to address the underlying cause (i.e. hunger), not the consequent outcome (say someone stealing because they are hungry).

Lastly, there should be some historic view to this question. It was not uncommon historically, that causing extreme economic poverty was used as a justification for punishment which further deteriorated the conditions of the poor. I feel that blame must be laid on the architects of that condition. More openly this question touches on whether economic sanctions are moral.

@murky
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Stealing per se is never OK, but acceptable under certain circumstances, of which many have already been mentioned here. In this particular case, foodwaste is another factor, making it a bigger crime not to give away surplus food for free & making people feel guilty of “stealing” it when they can’t afford it. Nobody should have to starve in a society where food lands on a dumpster every single day.

@dragnucs
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Getting into the situation where you need to steel to eatcis vary rare, but happens. Then it is acceptable to take only what makes you survive.

@Fakefunk
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Not that rare, I can assure you.

@dragnucs
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