‘Green growth’ doesn’t exist – less of everything is the only way to avert catastrophe | George Monbiot
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It is simply not possible to carry on at the current level of economic activity without destroying the environment, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot
@Echedenyan
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Let’s start with one of the most obvious things:

  • The computer market.

People buying unneeded shit every day to increase their unneeded resources to be at the same level as the trend and maybe be able to run latest games (unneeded too).

@yogthos
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The mobile hardware market is even worse. For example, the way we use our phones hasn’t changed substantially in over a decade. Most people use a handful apps like email, calendar, media player, and so on. The functionality of these apps hasn’t really changed in any significant way, yet we keep getting faster hardware while software keeps getting more bloated.

This is a direct result of perverse incentives of capitalism. Hardware manufacturers want to keep selling more hardware and this creates little incentive to optimize software to be more efficient. Instead, software developers continue to create ever more bloated solutions that require less effort to produce and rely on faster hardware to compensate for the bloat.

Imagine if instead we aimed to keep the same hardware running for a decade, and focused on optimizing software to make the most of it.

@ganymede
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1000% this ^

think about how much processing goes into making fucking gui’s more “visually appealing” frosted edges and blurred transparency etc. completely fucking pointless, useless and chewing enormous resources every day (silicon, battery power etc etc).

we are being lead down a dangerous path of pointless indulgence

@yogthos
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What’s worse is that all this cruft actually ends up making user experience worse as well. This is a great article discussing how input lag got worse over the years.

@ganymede
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nice article. and a good point all those cycles pissed down the drain on pointless fluff. its just sad

@yogthos
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indeed

@Echedenyan
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You are right.

@k_o_t
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imo it’s not even that software becomes more complex, it’s that now 70 % of all programs are some unoptimized webview, bc developers test it on $2k computers and can’t be bothered to use a proper cross platform framework

as an example, my phone is almost 7 years old, and everything runs smoothly, bc most of it are either fully native apps, flutter or react native or some other framework that renders to native os ui, while even on newest computers electron programs run meh

like, i like shiny things and beautiful animations, just don’t make it run inside 150 abstractions 😤

@yogthos
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Yeah exactly, functionality isn’t really changing and things are getting more bloated.

@pingveno
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All I want long term with a phone is software updates for security and app compatibility. That is in short supply in the current market. When I am next making a decision, I think the Librium with an Android compatibility layer might be best.

@k_o_t
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i can recommend the book “less is more: how degrowth will save the world” by Jason Hickel if anyone’s interested to dive in deeper

@PeterLinuxer
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In my country even the Green Party phantasizes about “green growth”. :(

@PeterLinuxer
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Took me some time to watch the complete video. It’s great, as usual from Greta Thunberg. I have a book with several speeches by Greta. I like, for example, when she said at the UN assembly “People are dying and all you talk about is economic growth.”

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