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The thumbnail doesn’t exactly inspire confidence…

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@onlooker
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I know, I just thought youtube’s choice of thumbnails was funny.

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it was deliberate by them, not youtube itself

it’s kind of the point of it lol

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The birds took the red pill.

Good.

EDIT: but not enough radical

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To not vote, riot instead

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People aren’t ready to vote on the grounds of ecology either, I live in one of the largest democracies.just ask yourselves what are the grounds on which people in your country vote on?

When was the last time voting caused systemic change? voting is made to sustain the system , it will never allow you to tear it apart. a Revolution will destroy the current system and replace it with a better one.

Reform will not solve the climate change, but a radical change in our consumption model will, such a change is inevitable either through a Revolution or through collapse of our Eco-system. one of these options will have more suffering than other. that’s the reason to believe in revolution

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No, both of these things require educating the masses, point is that only one of them is effective for systemic change.

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Neoliberal polices doesn’t challenge capitalism it extends it. Environmental policies directly challenges capitalism how is this comparable?

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The main weakness of the Yellow vest unrest was that the mouvment lacked of an unified vision. Ecology was only one of the many, many things the YV stood for.

The French peopole hate EVERY politician, but are too lazy to revolt now. Here is the French paradox

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So the only thing we can do is vote? What a joke 😂

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sustainable is the opposite of profitable.

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What? are we using the same definition of sustainable? Or do you unironically believe that our current consumption model is sustainable if we use ‘green technologies’ to fuel it?

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I don’t know if geen tech will but I’m excited by the following.

  • possiblity of using quantum computation to model geoengreening
  • clean energy inculding Molten Salt Reactors
  • lab grown meat

And some not so scifi stuff as well, such as building more trains, better cycling infurstucture and urban farming!

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Thats true, but i doubt you are going to convenice many meateaters to give up eating meat. Especially ones from traditional cultures.

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OK let me try to make this clear:

The system is the root cause of the climate crisis.

We are not going to solve the crisis by clinging to a system that breeds consumerism, generates shit load of waste and fantasizes infinite growth.

As I said, changing how you behave is much less important than changing the system, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it

I don’t disagree, but you’re missing the point.our behavior is less important becuause it’s tied to the behavior of the system, truly sustainable solutions doesn’t exist under the current system. it’s in the interest of the system to make everything unsustainable, we don’t have any meaningful power to make a choice in our behavior that will hurt the system.whatever illusion of choice you have is a privilege that many of us don’t have.

This video will articulate this point better than me, it’s focused on veganism but you can translate the core concepts to generally any consumer based activism.

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humans are imperfect, self-centered and that any society with this many of us is going to have some ugly parts.

Capitalist realism is one hell of a drug🤣

They pollute less for the simple reason that they’re poorer.

  • They pollute less for the simple reason that their economic model isn’t based on infinite growth.

  • They pollute less because their superior economic model generates less waste.

  • They pollute less because they will work for the betterment of the planet even if there is no profits to be earned from it

I also disagree with the argument of growth. Yeah the world is finite but we are very far from actually using even a tiny fraction of all the available resources. We can have growth for a while (better knowledge, comfort, healthcare) before we actually use up the resources of the earth.

😂 sure we should squeeze out everything out of nature, climate change will wait, do you even understand the scale of the crisis we are in? do you seriously think we can just keep exploiting the resources and don’t face it’s consequences?

but it’s not going to happen overnight and suddenly become some for of utopia. It’s going to be progressive and there are going to be some steps back.

When did I say any of this? I thought it was pretty clear that I’m not advocating for Utopian socialism.

If you want it to happen faster, you need to show people that better options are out there. Complaining about “the system” while doing nothing doesn’t help.

Doing Nothing? There must be a misunderstanding. or do you seriously think that not participating in a bourgeois election equates to nothing?

You’re denying that any progress is impossible. That’s simply not true.

The only meaningful progress is the progress from capitalism to socialism.

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yikes, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism

Neat vids from youtube or wherever. Rules later

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