• @Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml
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    The usage of na’vi and Shawshank are the most amusing here, imo. In Shawshank an innocent man suffered from the injustice of a cruel and uncaring system in USA. The very system this account propagates.

    And na’vi were literally a native population fighting off a very clearly USA-themed expansionists, that cared for nothing but profit. Hell, the briefing room in the first Avatar had a big 52 in the corner of a striped window.

    • Muad'Dibber
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      151 year ago

      Star wars too, considering this is another proxy conflict, and the US is explicitly named as the inspiration for the empire.

      NATO can have marvel and harry potter tho, idgaf.

      • @Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml
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        61 year ago

        and the US is explicitly named as the inspiration for the empire

        Which is incredibly ironic, seeing how plenty of people seem convinced it was inspired by USSR

        considering this is another proxy conflict

        What is the relation between star wars and proxy wars?

        • Muad'Dibber
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          All the US invasions of SE asia and elsewhere, were part of the cold war, and were really proxy conflicts between the US and USSR or US and China. The wars on Vietnam and Indonesia were in a large sense proxy wars against the USSR / China to prevent the spread and growth of the communism.

          In star wars, the empire made war against lots of different planets, and colonized many, for even associating with the rebellion. Luke’s homeworld of tatooine and the ewok planet for instance were empire colonies. Tatooine just like Ukraine likely had a collaborationist government.

    • @HaSch@lemmygrad.ml
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      111 year ago

      Na’vi

      I mean you’re right in principle, but if NATO soldiers really want to be left alone on some remote moon far away from any semblance of human contact, I say let them

      • Rasm653u [He/him] 🔻
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        41 year ago

        But they should also follow the three laws of Eywa:

        You shall not set stone upon stone. Neither shall you use the turning wheel. Nor use the metals of the ground

      • 陈卫华是我的英雄
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        141 year ago

        “But muh Kherson withdrawal where 95% of all civilians were evacuated to Russian territory and not a single Russian soldier even got injured and now we’ve abandoned the city because they shell it so hard”

  • Yeah, they sure are fighting with Harkonnens. Hand to hand with Harkonnens because the Empire said that the dollar must flow.

    Also obligatory reminder that Han Solo in the penultimate Expanded Universe cycle stupidly triggered civil war which killed millions if not billions and shattered entire galaxy politically.

    • @Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml
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      It’s really funny when reactionaries try to reference any work more morally nuanced than Harry Potter and Star Wars because, like, the main character of Dune literally commits the greatest genocide in galactic history lmao. Like he literally says “Hitler was nothing compared to me” haha. Like sure Russia is the Harkonnens but that makes you Space Hitler with a persecution fetish.

      • @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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        Dune fandom is my favourite example in literature of how willfully stupid liberals are. The books just scream about not trusting the tyrants, prophets, monopolies, aristocrats, shady orgs funded by who knows what, holy warriors, and insular religious sects. But this bunch of fools read that and are like “wow, cool god emperor, golden path is the only path”.

        They even miss the most obvious thing that Golden Path was just a solution to the problems created by Leto himself (and by Muad’Dib), and it was incredibly shitty solution, hanging basically on prophecy and few individual actions. Not to even mention how exactly that stifled humanity and how many people died in the process of scattering, or how just Honored Matres alone were implied to murder untold billions and this is even before we were actually shown that later ultimate “danger” whatever it was supposed to be.

        I read those books many times and the least bad ending would be if Muad’Dib destroyed the spice in the finale of book 1.

        And the main even influencing the setting and turning it in such dystopia is not even in the books themselves, since it’s Butlerian Jihad.

        Also btw main character of entire cycle is actually Duncan Idaho lol.

        • @Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml
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          110 months ago

          I think Dune (especially Leto II) shares a lot of parallels with Ozymandias in Watchmen.

          It’s practically the same arc: a massively intelligent individual predicts the demise of humanity, and “does what needs to be done” to prevent it, killing a large number of people in the process. In both, the intended moral is “What gives you the right to expend peoples’ lives?”

          I like that in both stories, they never do the hackneyed thing of pulling the rug out and saying “Ope! It turns out you killed all those people and it wasn’t even necessary.”. In both stories, Dune and Watchmen, it is implied that Humanity would have perished if not for them, which makes the moral quandary even more interesting.

          And the main even influencing the setting and turning it in such dystopia is not even in the books themselves, since it’s Butlerian Jihad.

          I wouldn’t say that the Butlerian Jihad turned the world of Dune into a dystopia. I think Frank Herbert is a cynic, and the world was destined to be a dystopia computers or not, because dystopia is inevitable. If not for the Butlerian Jihad, humanity would have died out millennia before any of the stories take place.

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            Never read Watchmen so idk.

            I wouldn’t say that the Butlerian Jihad turned the world of Dune into a dystopia. I think Frank Herbert is a cynic, and the world was destined to be a dystopia computers or not, because dystopia is inevitable. If not for the Butlerian Jihad, humanity would have died out millennia before any of the stories take place.

            Hard disagree here as marxist. It’s the antitechnological pseudohumanism that objectified humans into what we see in Dune, feudalism, slavery, cults, the cruel transhumanism of the schools, etc. and it was inevitable in such circumstances because backing the level of development to subsistence farming would not have any other effect. Hell the entire premise exist just because several literally magical technologies like super cheap and low tech antigravity, shields, FTL travel etc has been hamfisted in as pure exceptions to the tenets of jihad, which btw are so hypocrytical and going so much far then the anti AI premise that even Brian noticed that and tried to explain it.

            And ultimately, the only thing that make saving humanity possible was the breaking of the jihad tenets, by the time of Heretics many forbidden techs are back and there would be no scattering without Ixians inventing the navigational computer.

  • @HaSch@lemmygrad.ml
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    New Zealand has been “hosting one of the great epics of this century”. Ukraine is just burning itself to ashes in a pointless attempt to salvage the US-American global hegemony

      • @HaSch@lemmygrad.ml
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        The LotR and Hobbit trilogies, respectively. I know it’s liberal media and LotR was also badly butchered in the films, but it was the first thing that came to mind when talking about an “epic of the century” that was “hosted” somewhere

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          I don’t know about “badly butchered” but they are definitely not as perfect as so many fans make them out to be.

  • SovereignState
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    181 year ago

    how the fuck is this real LOL at least they’re getting fucked in the comments but

    these are the puppet masters! These fucking morons are the ones who decide if all of humanity gets annihilated on a day-to-day basis! And they’re this fucking stupid!

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        Starting to think the motifs of the methodical deep-state puppetmaster or brilliant evil billionaire (Lex Luthor, etc) are psyops in and of themselves to convince us that these people have two braincells to rub together. Banality of evil and all that, our overlords are mostly petulant manchildren who know precisely shit about shit other than how to most cost effectively fuck people over, and somehow they’re still managing to fuck that up lol

        • Makan ☭ CPUSA
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          They’re a class.

          Not a “deep state.”

          They rule by networks of power; more like a modern-day aristocracy that lives above us than a “highly organized central large group of people.”

          Hell, there’s lots of infighting within the ruling-class, some of it we recognize and some of it we don’t.

    • @CITRUS@lemmygrad.ml
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      You know I thought about it, they don’t actually believe this, they are just pandering to the audience of libs. This is just speaking to your target demographic.

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        True enough. However, the replies indicate to me that more people are starting to see through this cacophony of bullshit. I hope so, anyway.

        Edit: re my ‘banality of evil’ comment, I highly recommend the movie The Big Short, about the 2008 housing crash. It gets pretty into the economic side of things and makes absolutely no effort to disguise the absolute stupidity of the people in charge of our financial institutions. It is, of course, a dramatization - however far closer to reality I think than the genius / supervillain mirages we tend to be sold. They are vile people undoubtedly, but just as stupid.

    • @Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml
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      61 year ago

      Whoever typed that up knows that it’s ridiculous, they’re just counting on the references to stir a greater sense of patriotism in the digital generation than proper Pro-America propaganda ever could.

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    They also forget to mention that they are the Elmos in a world comprised of Grouchlands. They are the Benjamin Buttons fighting against becoming a baby again. They are the Lawnmower Man fighting bravely against whatever the fuck was happening in that movie I actually don’t understand that movie, like he was a groundskeeper but he also had an experimental monkey or something? The VR monkey sequence was really cool tho actually. I suggest watching it but it’s really odd. Anyways he’s the good guy in that movie so by default that’s what Ukraine is too. I could go on for days with stupid comparisons in which they are the protagonists