Ramble is an effort to also promote the use of alternative internets ie. not just https regular web.

The great thing about their setup is that it allows users from various anonymity networks to actually interact with one another in a seamless, transparent fashion. Someone browsing their Onion Service may be responding to a post made from the clearnet, and have their response upvoted from someone who agrees with their comment from the I2P eepsite while a Yggdrasil user is creating a forum. Regardless of the method you choose to access the Ramble website, you’d be interacting with people from outside of your network in a relatively unique fashion. You can login to your account through any network that you wish. Post on your phone using the clearnet website, come home, and hop on the I2P eepsite and you’ll have everything right there.

Another interesting feature is a fully transparent moderation log, showing any banned users or other deletions made (a bit like Aether does) with a reason. You only need to choose any username and password to get going, no e-mail or phone number requested to register.

See https://ramble.pw/f/ramble/3/welcome-to-ramble

#technology #alternativeto #reddit #ramble #privacy

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On the front page I’m seeing a post by a user named “Hitler_Was_Right”. Totally promising and interesting platform with lots of insightful minds contributing to the marketplace of ideas!

@SloppilyFloss
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The bane of almost every open-source, decentralized link agreggator is their weird obsession with absolute freedom of speech that just attracts the most toxic, whatever-phobic people.

krolden
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there will be many papers written on this phenomenon.

Do you think its just link aggregators or also forms of other social media?

@SloppilyFloss
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Nah, it’s all forms of social media. You see the same thing on those weird Fediverse servers, but it’s got a big reputation with link aggregators thanks to Voat.

Its not just one Post but multiple from them on the frontpage. Also other posts and comments confirm a right wing leading.

GadgeteerZA
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Yes I have also noticed a few attacks on other networks like Scuttlebutt. An interesting point I picked up there, and did not really think a lot about, is that apparently many social networks are classified as to where they lie on the US political spectrum, and that can then mean they are good or bad ;-) As a non-American, I did not know that classification was a thing…

@Nasst
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I’m a non-american (argentinian), and don’t really feel comfortable sharing a platform with literal white supremacists.

QuentinCallaghan
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As a non-American, I don’t see pointing out a white supremacist user as an attack towards a platform.

@N0b3d
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The last sentence of your earlier response definitely suggested you were judging the platform based on that one user though.

You didn’t even say what the person said, just left people to guess based on the username (for all we know it’s a left wing radical doing the internet equivalent of performance art), people just can’t tell without context.

QuentinCallaghan
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If you look at that user’s post history, it’s far from “the internet equivalent of performance art”.

@southerntofu
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Racial supremacy and misogyny are not just american though. They’re valid divides on the political spectrum in most regions/cultures. But i agree with you “liberal” is a very weird term that in for example french context means rather conservative, because pro-business…

Who classifies that?

GadgeteerZA
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Basic user comments about a network that I see on other networks - many are quick to label a network as liberal and conservative, which I gather are generally attributed to US politics (we don’t refer to our parties by those terms at least - just a party name is used). I’m pretty sure sites themselves are not one or the other, but seems many users judge by posts or comments they see and then are quick to label a site.

Sites themselves are one or the other, they have specific moderation teams that get instructions how to moderate (or not moderate). These rules do in themselves have political meaning. Not just in the US, but everywhere.

@BrownNote
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You forgot the “/s” for sarcasm

@anescient
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are you serious?

@southerntofu
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It’s not just any reddit-like website. Although it has a focus on privacy (like lemmy.ml and raddle.me), what distinguishes ramble.pw from others is it’s run and operated by fascist sympathizers on principles of so-called “free speech”. In the first days/weeks of ramble.pw i took a look on there to see how that would turn out. The admin made it very clear they were 100% open to nazis, fascists and other hate groups, as long as they were not forced by law to remove it.

Free speech is something we may wish to defend (or not) but does not exist in practice. When your speech disturbs the people in power/privilege, then it is removed, and you face the consequences. Free speech has rarely protected anarchists, communists, feminists, queer and anti-colonization activists. In the United States, antimilitarist propaganda was illegal during WWI; here in France, there were entire laws (les lois scélérates) dedicated to making it illegal to promote anarchism. More recently, Jean-Marc Rouillan was condemned to a prison sentence for refusing to serve State propaganda about Daech on the radio, while artists and militants who denounce police crimes are often taken to courts for insulting police and country. So the Nation-States who promote free speech are in fact profoundly opposed to free speech in their foundations. “Free speech” is then used as a magic formula when dominant speech is under attack, but can never be invoked when minority speech is repressed.

Personally, i’m in favor of “free speech” in the sense that institutions of power should not have a say in what is legal to think/say, because that will always be used against minority struggles to shut them down. However as an individual claiming to offer nazis a space to organize and advertise their views in the name of free speech is at the very least delusional, if not outright manipulative. To be honest, i’d even be tempted to flag this article so we can get it removed from the lemmy.ml homepage. Not gonna do it though because we have a conversation here. But how do you all folks feel to have a link to a nazi website on our homepage?

Mandatory XKCD:

About free speech

GadgeteerZA
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Just note I posted this link purely as a newly discovered (to me) social network (like I’ve done for as few other networks too). I’m not recommending one over the other at all. I’m still digging a bit deeper into it, and have now noticed Raddle as well. It is interesting to note the differences, and I’m sure anyone interested will get a feel for a good fit for themselves. Yes unfortunately networks will tend to be perceived as left, right or centre I suppose relative to one’s one’s beliefs.

Certainly in my own country (South Africa) we also have quite a few laws restricting any discrimination as well any threats of violence or insurrection. Personally I prefer to keep to good tech news myself ;-)

@Thann
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Is this centralized proprietary bullshit, or am I missing something?

@southerntofu
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It’s based on postmill, developed by anarchist comrades from the raddle.me community. There was a lot of drama involving ramble.me which is an actual PRO-FASCIST postmill instance, including the postmill devs considering stopping everything because of that. Just imagine, you’re writing a piece of software for friends & comrades to find a space, just for it to be used by nazis? Wow…

On the centralized side of things, yes it’s centralized, no it’s not proprietary nor bullshit. It’s centralized because it’s intended to be a small, closed-off community. I’m on there too and been advocating for federation with other news aggregator, but given the history between raddle and lemmy (with early days lemmy having heavy hand on censoring critiques of chinese government, and raddle devs being happy to ban marxist-leninists and other authoritarians on sight) that didn’t gather a lot of support.

I sometimes laugh in my bed, thinking that marxists are building a federated network while anarchists are building a centralized one. It’s funny, the differences between theory and practice? (For those who don’t understand, those respective philosophies/ideologies advocate the exact opposite, where marxist-leninists promote so-called democratic centralism, and anarchists promote federation of autonomous communes).

@ancom
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sometimes laugh in my bed, thinking that marxists are building a federated network while anarchists are building a centralized one. It’s funny, the differences between theory and practice?

yeah me too. Thought they don’t argue for centralization, but for autonomous spaces, that do interact with each other without agreeing to a specific standard.

They propose to use hyperlinks as a means for that. Thought unfortunate, raddle is the only online community that is interactive and not anarchistnews.org (the later one is to toxic for me) to which they link to. Raddle is nice, but sometimes also a bit rough. I would appreciate the existence of a place that could interact with raddle, but is on at the same independent from it.

GadgeteerZA
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Actually nothing is stated about open source so we’d have to assume then it is not. Any open source site does usually state this pretty clearly.

@Thann
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Yup, open source projects say it loudly and proudly, and GPL projects are obligated to lol

GadgeteerZA
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Seems though from https://ramble.pw/f/ramble/94/-/comment/211 that it is based on PostMill which is open source…

GadgeteerZA
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Seems Raddle is built on PostMill too, and judging from its Wiki it is a bit more open about where it comes from etc - https://raddle.me/wiki and has a Tor node address

@Thann
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Ahh, excellent find. Postmill uses the zlib licence which states:

The origin of this software must not be misrepresented;

One could argue, that by not saying that they’re running postmill on their frontpage, they’re “missrepresenting the origin” 🤔

GadgeteerZA
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Yes I’ve actually asked them too on that same link whether they are passing the improvements back to PostMill. The absolute worst is using and building on an open source project, and not giving anything back (not even the credit). Thanks for that license detail as well, as I can bring that up. Raddle (not to be confused with Ramble) is very clear that they are using PostMill and state that also on their footers.

Interesting though in zlib: “you must not claim that you wrote the original software. If you use this software in a product, an acknowledgement in the product documentation would be appreciated but is not required”. Bit sad as it does not seem to require passing improvements back nor explicitly mentioning PostMill, jut not to misrepresent that you wrote it all from scratch.

That was one reason why I stopped using Vivaldi browser - although I loved it, it was very distasteful to me to see something built on top of open source, but not passing back the improvements at all.

@Thann
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Yeah, it is distasteful. The GPL is why Linux is bigger than BSD; forced cooperation is better for everyone.

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