Basically, I need a Discord alternative with the security of Element/Riot but the ease-of-use of, well, Discord.

Anyone have anything to use?

Muad'Dibber
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Element pretty much the only secure one. They recently added spaces, which is getting really close to discord communities.

@DBGamer
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Yea but it’s still significantly lacks the following, which I hope can be addressed sooner or later. Since I am hate going to Discord for everything.

Makan ☭ CPUSA
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Wait, they did? Noice.

Alright, guess it can’t be helped, but I’ll probably use Element either way.

Just trying to keep my options open for the community I’m making.

@strootje
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Mattermost is literaly a selfhosted discord alternative. Take a look at that :)

Makan ☭ CPUSA
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Thanks!

@tracyspcy
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Rocket.chat?

Makan ☭ CPUSA
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What’s that exactly?

@tracyspcy
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if you cannot visit rocket.chat website by yourself, it is free open source self-hosted alternative to slack/discord, ie communication platform.

Makan ☭ CPUSA
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What would you say the level of security is? Comparable to Element?

@tracyspcy
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rocket.chat is also provide e2e encryption, also open source, so it is hard to say objectively. The thing I like in rocket.chat is that it could be very easily setup and hosted on raspberry pi in minutes.

Makan ☭ CPUSA
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Does it have forums?

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Idk what you mean, I’m not a part of rocket.chat team. You can just visit their website and ask all your question directly via their support (bottom right button ;) ), or join their support server on rocket.chat

Makan ☭ CPUSA
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Sure, sure

@zookidz
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tox.chat looks interesting but it needs more development

Randoom
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is it safe to use tox with UDP enabled? i am using an android device and the client is aTox

Makan ☭ CPUSA
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Ah

Sandro Linux
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Maybe try XMPP

Makan ☭ CPUSA
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What’s that

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It is a lightweight protocol (like matrix but more lightweight) which is run on many different servers and XMPP is open source. XMPP is like email for instant messaging.

Servers

With XMPP you want a server that you communicate on. One I have used is shad0w which is free: https://www.shad0w.io/ A list of XMPP hosts: https://list.jabber.at/

XMPP Clients

You then need a client for XMPP. Think of this like Element, it runs on the underlying protocol (for element that is Matrix). So for your client you want something that you like that is compatible with your OS. A list of XMPP clients: https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html

Makan ☭ CPUSA
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Thanks, I could use this.

Sandro Linux
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Thats ok!

I’ve been hosting Zulip for my group on a $10 a month Digital Ocean droplet (setting up was relatively straight forward) , and it’s been working great for us. One thing we found was that stuff like Discord is really bad for people who aren’t constantly on because it’s really hard to follow threads and conversations with them being all mixed together. Zulip has threaded conversations by default, so it’s much easier to come back and catch up on what’s happening.

The UI is a bit different though and takes a bit of getting used to, but overall I definitely find it worth it.

Makan ☭ CPUSA
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Primary question from me is: does Zulip have good security like Element?

What you said sounds really tempting but I want to make sure that what I’m doing is secure.

If you’re running your own server then it should be secure since you control access to it, and messages are sent using TLS encryption.

Makan ☭ CPUSA
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